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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
 United States
5/28/2005 10:31 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Sorry for the fragments and typos......oops. Didn´t proofread. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5591
 Japan
5/28/2005 10:34 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
nolo-
to agree and further the concept..
it would surprise me if a world-class cook could even build a kitchen without a competent construction engineer, yet the engineer would need the advice of the cook to get the most from the space allotted for the kitchen.
insight and technique combined is rare
I´m sure this doesn´t get the idea pushed along much, but it seems that one must have somewhere to go to make a map to the destination |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/28/2005 10:48 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Ah...thank you for considering me worthy of being pruned away...
I was attempting to meet you on a universal level...as either being from the camp who believes an instant delivered-by-the-spacebrothers utopia is eminent, or the more pedestrian we-can-do-it-if-we-all-pull-together-as-a-team process evolution.
You may have a notion of what constitutes a utopia by simply eliminating that which you don´t like.
And even if you had isolated a community down to like-minded individuals, what makes you think that that would be the key to achieving what you claim? Plenty of utopian attempts have been made, and successfully separate from contamination, and still failed.
What´s to say the generation you raise would preserve what you built?
Persuasion by environment?
Then why do monsters and criminals come from every strata of society?
But the functioning within such an environment, where all wishes are fulfilled, and where your basic human nature as it stands now remains the same, cannot spell anything but disaster.
The simple extrapolation that Zardoz portrayed was entirely plausible.
What is your basis for hope that you can become what you dream of? |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/28/2005 11:00 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
...to put it on a more mundane level --
There was a thread here a little while back about buying an island, and populating it with like-minded people.
Designing it from the ground up, society, infrastructure, economy, and all.
And the first flush had a lot of enthusiasm.
But as time went on, and the ´dreams´ became more specific and concrete, it was readily apparent that not only would there be no harmony, but there wasn´t even a shared common definition of harmony.
Everyone´s utopia started infringing on someone else´s.
And this was just within the small microcosm of GLP...
What is going to change the character of a people so that they know how to function as one family?
Simple intellectual assent isn´t an answer. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
United States
5/28/2005 11:06 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Nolo.
Your intellect is so layered and sophisticated that you can draw out a complete argument in microwave speed, tailored to whatever level a person might engage you.
I understand all you wrote. It is perhaps my fault for not elucidating all that I had in mind. The scenario you paint is Europe circa 1939. When I say "paring away" I should have said attrition-by-choice". We all represent in sum our choices over time that produce the overall level of being that we express - there are strata to being. In the course of time, there are thresholds whereby those souls at or above a certain level of being, ascend to a higher plane of functioning. Those who might be "left behind" find themselves right where they have chosen to be. There is no right or wrong - good or bad, if you will. It is just graduation time for many. And it is not graduation time for others. The dilemma, if you will, is that the earth is also ready to ascend to a higher vibration and level of functioning. Those who are not ready, willing, or able to ascend or graduate will choose to go elsewhere to continue their evolution at their own pace. This is what I clumsily referred to as a "paring away". All that I have learned in reading your thoughts is that you are among the ready and willing to live a utopian existence - free of illness, poverty, violence, and divisive group associations that pit man against man. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
United States
5/28/2005 11:37 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Furthermore, Nolo, I don´t know if you call yourself a Christian or not, but how do you explain the mechanics of the second coming with Jesus ushering in a thousand years of peace, etc?
Would there not be large sectors of the planet who would not accept such an event, if for no other reason than they don´t accept the authority of Jesus?
What would happen to them?
How could there be peace imposed on those unwilling to participate? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13134
United States
5/29/2005 10:20 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
id be embarassed to be a so called christian  |
| A.C.
User ID: 1243
United States
5/29/2005 11:22 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
I’m not ashamed to be a Christian at all.
I am filled with Hope because of the Grace given to all of us through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
You may say I have false hope.
But, I say, “I have more Hope than you”. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
 Austria
5/29/2005 11:34 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
"But, I say, “I have more Hope than you”."
No religion-fights here please!
Sounds like my car has more power than your´s. |
| A.C.
User ID: 1243
United States
5/29/2005 12:34 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Sorry.
I was wanting a response that said,"Hmmmm, my beliefs don´t produce hope", causing reflection, not reproach.
I´ll work on my wording, thanks. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
Austria
5/29/2005 12:51 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
AC6683 don´t worry, you are on the right path.
Peace! |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/29/2005 2:45 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
***will choose to go elsewhere***
Choose? As mudmen what would be the power in our choices? If the ´advanced´ population left...and the planet left....seems there isn´t a whole lot of ´choice´ involved...sounds like ´make-do´ with whatever remnants that are left...
You still are relying on an evolutionary event, that as yet, I see no evidence of -- either geologically or socialitally...I see upheavals in the earth and in society, but see no overall transformational element to them.
***among the ready and willing to live a utopian existence***
Sure, it´s built into every human. The desire and notion of Home.....the knowledge of fairness and belonging...
I´m just aware that Home is not obtainable through my attempts.
And all of human history so far has failed in the attempt.
***explain the mechanics of the second coming
they don´t accept the authority of Jesus
What would happen to them?
How could there be peace imposed on those unwilling to participate***
Some have been prepared for that event. ´Oil in the Lamps´, so to speak.
For those not -- then they´ll be educated.
The revelation of God has been a progressive event in His dealings with humans.
From the times before the Law...
To the times of the Law...
To the current fulfillment of the Law...
And the future time of the Law amongst us...
There will be a millennium of having the Authority physically located here with us.
How do you deal with authority now? You either obey, or you don´t.
Reward/punishment isn´t spoken of much, except that those that don´t obey won´t be allowed into the City of God....
Presumably if there is a Tree of Healing that´s there for the nations.....there probably will be criteria for receiving it....
If there is Living Water, it is for those who are enabled to receive it....by inference, there may be some who are not...
If avoidance and disobedience to God was a matter of ignorance, then close proximity and access would clarify and correct that...
If weeding out who wanted to serve the Creator was following His commandments in ancient days, and finding out who wanted to serve the Creator was a matter of accepting His atonement and Leadership was for now, then accepting the rules He sets down when He´s here would be the last attempt to see who wanted to serve the Creator...
Each step in history was a closer and closer relationship.....each age had their opportunities.
But taken all the dispensations altogether, it would provide a wide spectrum of conditions under which God relates to humans, and a complete set of opportunities to exercise obedience or rebellion.
And at the end of the millinium....there will be nations that unite to rebell.......
Then, yes, final Peace will be imposed.
Because, by that time, every avenue will have been exhausted to have become reconciled to God.... |
| A.C.
User ID: 1243
United States
5/29/2005 6:44 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Nolo –
It almost appears that you are pro GF.
I too have been lining up Christian concepts with the possibility of the GF.
Is it totally impossible that the end times could be fulfilled by/through aliens?
I’ll share one thought to show possibility.
Premise:
All beings that are not of Earth are aliens. (Well, the inverse is true)
In Exo.3:1- an angel of God appeared to Moses in a flame of fire. Then we see that both Yehovah and Elohiym are there speaking with Moses. Is it possible that the angel was the medium for God? Was the angel channeling God to Moses? Does this do harm to the greatness of God? Maybe not.
So, can the GF minister the will of God to us? Maybe so. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
United States
5/29/2005 7:36 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Well, Nolo, as usual, I have no idea what you are going to say until you say it – and I wonder if you work from a conceptual model / belief system from which all your ideas and answers must logically flow. The academic / authoritative tone of your arguments bespeak a level of confidence which might intimidate anyone from disagreeing, much less responding at all. I appreciate all you offer as consistent with who you are and where you are at both spiritually and intellectually, and thus, it rings as totally honest in its content. I just wonder if you allow for other views as equally valid along with the possibility that you may be totally incorrect.
Yes, I realize and even admitted that the human roadmap in recorded history does not afford us any clues of what I believe is to come, as it may not be considered what you and others may refer to as an evolutionary sequitur of sorts. I did speak of critical mass though, and threshold events that both contribute to phase transitions of consciousness, many times revealed to us through the coming of new technologies, higher expressions of being (as in artistic endeavors) and the rise of certain personages to the world stage who have a singular effect on the masses, oftentimes shifting the course of history and changing the collective lot of mankind.
All that I envision can be derived, if you will, from a cursory look at life on this planet in metaphor. We have, across the globe, partitioned groupings of people who remain subject to the constructs of their particular society – constructs such as religion, education, government, and socio-economics – all with their inherent limitations within the boundaries of the particular society and controlled by that country’s delimiting proclivity for individual freedom – the backdrop for the ubiquitous struggle of individuals to be totally free vis-a-vis the intrinsic dynamic within these institutions to insure their own existence and proliferation at the expense of personal freedom.
Across the panoply of these cultural pods – there are those individuals who have grown beyond the limiting boundaries of their particular culture – or they at least sense that there is more to be experienced outside of their country’s cultural menu and seek to grow beyond their present living situation by transcending the borders – and emigrating to another country with greater freedom to pursue individual manifest destiny, if you will.
The desire for people across the globe to emigrate to the US is a prime example. People naturally seek a life of more - more freedom to live in peace, prosperity and protection of their individual integrity. It is only natural for living things to seek more of life as they grow and evolve. As the pod with perhaps the most potential for individual freedom, the US must limit the influx, lest our whole way of life suffer and possibly slide backwards from whence we came. And so it goes. What happens when the overall balance is threatened – when the weight of the lower pods is about to be upended by the graduation of many of the earth’s populous to higher new pod, tipping the scales as it were toward peace, prosperity and freedom for all the earth’s people’s?
Something’s gotta give and someone’s gotta go, as they say.
It just so happens that the earth an entity also has a manifest destiny of sorts, not only to protect its survival, but to allow for its continued evolution – up the spiral staircase of the expression of its own image of higher perfection emerging from its own lost memory of what is possible when peace and harmony reigned supreme.
The confluence of the earth’s desire to ascend coupled with a graduating class ready to spread peace, love, balance and harmony necessary for the earth itself to insure its ascension – becomes an evolutionary mandate of sorts to all aboard mother earth – become the harbingers of a new age – or relocate to another earth of your choice where you may continue your experience of life as you have come to know it and wish to express it.
While I appreciate the nexus you create between your religious beliefs and the necessary cosmological correlates required for you to answer this question from the micro to the macro, I would submit that the events we are to experience soon will offer no points of relevance to any manmade books of truth, especially as they might presume to out-picture the mind of God. |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/29/2005 7:42 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
6683--
***It almost appears that you are pro GF.***
All I see coming out of the skies are the angels sent to gather...
But if you´re speaking of some sort of saviours...then there is only One who will Return, and then it´s over.
***I too have been lining up Christian concepts with the possibility of the GF.
Is it totally impossible that the end times could be fulfilled by/through aliens?***
Play a part? Certainly, they are part of our mythos.
Whether there will be a physical actuality is only icing on the cake.
They´ve already done their job psychologically by prepping our minds to hold in abeyance what we will trust to be real, and what not.
The amphibian-like spirits that are released at the End to whisper in the ears of the world´s leaders, are certainly ´alien´...
The mutated ´locusts´ certainly seem that way also...
Satan is god of the atmosphere, so certainly expect razzle-dazzle from that venue to be of his doing.
***an angel of God appeared to Moses in a flame of fire.***
As Believers, we are ´inhabited´ by the Holy Spirit...We are vessels that are filled, to be poured out for others...
The servants and messengers of God are containers of His will...
To try and see that connection as ´channeling´ (as we see it in current society) carries the wrong connotation. Current ´channeling´ carries the connotation that ´vessel´ is less an agent, and more a tool.
Counterfeits will be similar, but with subtle differences...
The bottom line is: the only safe spirit to have in you is God -- The only legitimate Spirit that BELONGS in any being, is God...
NO others should be allowed...and as such, any message (even if claiming to be the spirit ´Jesus´) should be considered as containing deadly error embedded in it.
***So, can the GF minister the will of God to us? Maybe so.***
That remains to be seen...Are you suggesting that they may be the ´good guys´? Doubtful, simply because the only reference of any arrival of ´good guys´ is in the final moments... |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/29/2005 9:14 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
***Well, Nolo, as usual, I have no idea what you are going to say until you say it – and I wonder if you work from a conceptual model / belief system from which all your ideas and answers must logically flow.***
Neither do I....such is the value of this forum, that the things that reside in my spirit, perhaps even intellectually unarticulated to myself, have an avenue of expression.
It´s like the knowledge of how to ride a bike resides within me, but until I would have to write detailed instructions down, I would have no idea that I knew this...But only because I have ridden a bike, can I confidently tell you how to do it......However clumsily the tools of words may work trying to convey it.
Once again, this is all the work of the Spirit....not only in the formation of what I´ll say -- but in how your mind receives it....
Luke 12:
And when they bring you unto the synagogues, and unto magistrates, and powers, take ye no thought how or what thing ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.
***The academic / authoritative tone of your arguments bespeak a level of confidence which might intimidate anyone from disagreeing, much less responding at all.***
That CERTAINLY is not my intent.
However, as you may have noticed, there are frivolous, unthought-out cosmologies, that in all kindness can only be characterized as foolishness. I perhaps stand a little firm, to discourage such offers for consideration. I respect hard work and careful planning and deliberate, considered, critical thinking...I find it frustrating to attempt to answer a deaf ear who does a drive-by throwaway phrase, neither knowing what their phrase actually portends nor cares to receive anything from me.
I encourage thoughtful responses, not jingoisms or knee-jerk emotional outbursts.
I had one outstanding teacher in my highschool years who challenged us to say anything, but be prepared to back up what was said to the hilt....
Perhaps I have grafted unconsciously his tone upon how I present things...
Conversational tones will bring out certain things, while challenging tones bring out another....
Perhaps that´s why I am more conversational in chat, while being more ´instructional´ on the forum.
***I appreciate all you offer as consistent with who you are and where you are at both spiritually and intellectually, and thus, it rings as totally honest in its content. I just wonder if you allow for other views as equally valid along with the possibility that you may be totally incorrect***
Three things going on here:
1. The possibility of other views being equally valid.
2. I might be incorrect.
3. Where I am ´at´ in spirit and mind.
1. I am an Absolutist. Which means when you lay all the views out on the table, sorting through the ones that are mutually exclusive, you find some true and some false.
Then sorting through the ones that are true, you discover which are universally true, and which are true only for a specific instance....
Other views may parallel mine, but differ in both genesis and conclusion. So should I agree with the parts that parallel, and leave the implication that the origin and conclusion are acceptable?
Are they valid? Well, do they have logical consistency? Is there a harmony of theme, and a clearly delineated Purpose?
If so, then I consider them.
2. Yes, I might be. To not consider such; not only would I be blindly foolish and intellectually dishonest, but also responsible for whatever repercussions evolved from that.
1 Corinthians 15
But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
3. As to that, I am only a work in progress....levels and standings and position are transitory and illusional.
***religion, education, government, and socio-economics***
Not so coincidentally, these four were mentioned on another thread as the four avenues that satan, and by extension, the antichrist, controls the world.
I also understand critical mass (or as I term it, the exponential curve) and how the fulcrum nexus can be applied.
***earth an entity also has a manifest destiny of sorts***
Romans 8:
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
***The confluence of the earth’s desire to ascend coupled with a graduating class ready to spread peace, love, balance and harmony necessary for the earth itself to insure its ascension – becomes an evolutionary mandate of sorts to all aboard mother earth – become the harbingers of a new age – or relocate to another earth of your choice where you may continue your experience of life as you have come to know it and wish to express it.***
I agree with the conditions and the elements...here our beliefs are in parallel....but where we see differently is in the extrication.
You seem to be an advocate of ´bootstrapping´.
I am an advocate of ´deus-ex-machina´.
Agreed, something has got to be done.
Agreed, something will be done.
And agreed, that people will go to where their heart is...
***the events we are to experience soon will offer no points of relevance to any manmade books of truth, especially as they might presume to out-picture the mind of God.***
Perhaps that is true -- but up until the moment His foot touches ground, is pretty well covered, at least as concerns how we are to relate to it....After that...
1 Corinthians 2
But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
United States
5/30/2005 12:23 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Thank you for another reasoned response.
I apologize if you took offense by my stark commentary on another thread. It was intended for the likes of Lester who leaves no common ground for discussion. I consider you to be an intellectual first and foremost. You discuss ideas on the largest scale and are not limited to provincial, pedantic, and divisive interpretations that wreak of mindless dogmatism.
But you know as well as I that Christianity, as well as other religions, is a hive for the fundamental minds on this planet. And fundamentalism is killing people all over the earth, as it has been for the past 2,000 years.
Yes, I am hard on religion, for I see it as senseless and useless, especially given the times we are in, the common nature to the world´s problems, and the benefit we could all experience if we all laid down our personally held religious beliefs and treated our fellow man as ourselves.
It is all pretty basic.
You may align yourself with Christianity to a degree and use scripture to highlight your points, but is received in the spirit in which you intend it - as your particular point of view supported by scripture and intended for open discusion. You do not arrive at your understanding first without a credible examination to see how it "fits".
Whereas, the religous mind, starts with the belief and works backwards to construct an understanding to support the belief. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1229
United States
5/30/2005 7:47 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Looks like another NO SHOW NESARA. So I suppose it will be next weekend again, they must have run into some difficulties. Too many people getting drunk this weekend, so it had to be called off.
Looks like it will be 2 weeks from now, which at that time, we have yet another lame a$$ excuse. |
| NSA Dad
User ID: 197
United States
5/30/2005 7:49 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
CAN I TAKE THAT SHIT NOW?  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 60
United States
5/30/2005 7:58 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Wouldn´t it be perfect if the "Second Coming" coincided with the release in June of Spielberg´s "War of The Worlds"?
What an untimely catastrophy that might trigger...... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 4181
 Australia
5/31/2005 2:51 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Information from NESARANews.com
This is from 2005-04-04
No NESARA news: Closing NESARANews.com
" Dear All of Us,
Since there is no real news about NESARA other than the Dove reports and the ´news´ that is coming from all the ´channelings´, I am closing the nesaranews.com site.
My heart is telling me not to use the ´news´ about NESARA coming out of all the ´channelings´.
With love to all of us,
Nel. "
(quoted from NESARANews.com)
(link - [link to www.nesaranews.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 193 (OP)
Austria
5/31/2005 3:25 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
St.Germain 05.31.05.
Dear Ones, I would like to make it clear that regardless of what turn events take on Earth, they will in no way affect the final outcome. You are destined to move into a new reality and your present one will disappear. As you experience things, the path may not be clear but be assured that before long events will start to fall into place. The energies that are bringing the changes are present now, and a point will be reached that will suddenly bring all into manifestation. Do not read too much into the activities of the dark, they are as you say, living on borrowed time. It may not always be apparent but their empire is crumbling and they cannot halt the fall.
There are many beings from the higher dimensions that now surround the Earth, and they observe what is taking place ready to intervene if necessary. Remember that permission for divine intervention has been given, and if matters look like getting out of hand they will act. When animals are cornered they will make one last attempt to escape, and this is what you are seeing now. The dark do not care what legacy they leave behind, and are bad losers. Matters have to take a turn for the better very soon, and the pressure is building up that will show the first outward signs of changes affecting the heart of your government. Sooner or later they have to be introspective and question where they are going and what they might achieve. This will bring the first splits that will encourage others to stand forth for the truth.
Just in a space of a few years, you have awakened to what has been happening behind the scenes. No longer can you be hoodwinked by their platitudes or speeches that allege to provide for your wishes. You are reading between the lines and see the real intentions of those in charge.
Politics apart, it is time to ask your selves whether or not you can continue supporting a government that has ignored your plight, as you fight to simply survive and see no release from your problems. You are being forced more and more into servitude, and slaves to the draconian laws that restrict you in a way that is gradually taking away your freedom.
How do you change matters, I say by doing what is within your capabilities. Some of you need to highlight what is happening; as if adverse events are not drawn to the people’s attention then there cannot be a concerted effort against them. Others who are more enlightened will work on a higher level and cast Light upon those areas that are imbalanced. Still others will also work on a higher level, but use their power of thought to visualize a different reality and so bring that into being. Lightworkers everywhere are fulfilling their promise and contract to work through this time to bring Light and understanding to Earth.
I often tell you that everything works in perfection, yet you can hardly recognize it as such in the multitude of happenings that are taking place. There is however a path being followed, that is opening up and leads the way to your freedom. Each and everyone regardless of their position are playing their part to produce the means by which completion can be achieved. Some of course play a bigger role, but every input has an effect on the whole. The Light grows exponentially and is becoming so powerful that it is speeding up the changes upon Earth. This wonderful development comes through the dedication of so many people, who see the final picture and hold it in their vision. The Law of Attraction has never been more evident.
Understand that what you are going through now is also a result of earlier unbalanced thinking. Indeed, it has been going on for thousands of years, and has been repeatedly strengthened by continued errors in thinking. Not so long ago, it could easily have pulled you all down, but to your credit you have responded to the help given you and have excelled our most optimistic hopes. All credit to those who have never given up, and who have kept their vision strongly in mind. They have served many others through their devoted service to the Creator and the Light. Some of you have shone your Light through life after life, and now you know that all of that effort was worthwhile. You have often called for help, and another law is invoked, as it cannot be given unless you request it. Some find this difficult to understand, but in any other circumstances it would be seen as some form of interference with your freedom.
That having been said, you will see how karma can quickly be built up. However, it must be said that even within the scope given you through your freedom, the Laws of the Universe must be respected. Soon there will come a time when you will understand all of this, but see how in the past you have been misdirected by those who have lead you. The Master Teachers have frequently tried to bring about a balance, but many have been so entrenched in erroneous teachings that they have rejected the truth. The hardest part will be to give up your cherished beliefs, that you have held for many lifetimes, but it must come about if you are to be cleansed of those aspects that are not of the Light.
In all that happens, I stress that you already get much help, but please remember to ask and invite us to join you. This applies to your friends who are both on and off Earth, who are here at this time for that very purpose. We respond to you, and we are helping to manifest that vision you have of a wonderful existence of peace, love and enjoyment, and a unity within mankind of the likes not experienced for millennia of time. Oh yes, you have had your Golden Ages before, the last being in Atlantis at its peak of spirituality. These periods come and go, and the one you are building now is going to take you through Ascension. This time it will not fall apart, and you will put this cycle of duality behind you for once and for all.
I am St Germain and I see grand work you do, and I see the Light growing so strong that you need never doubt your ability to bring Humanity safely through this period. You are masterly in your work and have taken on the mantle of your own salvation. The Heavens applaud your efforts, and continually embrace you with their Light and Love. You are truly members of the Great White Brotherhood and I welcome you with Love into the fold.
Thank you St, Germain
Mike Quinsey |
| nolomolistari
User ID: 513
United States
5/31/2005 3:39 AM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
So what you just relayed there, mike, is that: ´good luck with what you´re doing´.
Carefully read all the verbs and tenses, time modifiers and grammar.
I can smell back-peddling from a mile away, and if reverse had more than one gear, you´d be breaking the speed limit...
Everything you´ve said had a bottom line -- you´re going to have to plod along and work for it, and it´s going to take time...
Which is the ONLY sensible thing you´ve ever said.
I know you want to put the most optimistic face on what was said, but everything was carefully constructed with a backdoor hedging -- read it like he´s saying that it might be decades, or centuries, before it comes to pass...and the meaning doesn´t distort... |
| Common Sense
User ID: 1595
 Netherlands
5/31/2005 12:29 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Wouldn´t you agree that it´s now high time and "nesasary"for this tedious thread to miraculously disappear...? |
| .
User ID: 1482
United States
5/31/2005 12:50 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
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| A.C.
User ID: 13972
United States
5/31/2005 12:50 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Actually .... No.
"the spirit is subject to the prophet".
If Mike was feeling down or negatively, the message can be affected.
I´ll wait to hear from him and the others again. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12508
United States
5/31/2005 1:47 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
How many ways can it be stated that something is not going to happen?
Give it a rest all you channelers. |
| Whatajoke
User ID: 9339
United States
5/31/2005 5:33 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Again I see that this NESARA wasn´t announced this weekend. What does that make it now, 15 times it was suppose to be announced now and hasn´t? |
| GREY LENSMAN
User ID: 5947
 Malaysia
5/31/2005 10:34 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
THE GF HAVE A BIT MORE TO SAY. SEEMS BANKERS ARE MORE RESISTANT THAN ARMIES. THATS TRUE.
QUOTE
Update by Sheldan Nidle for the Spiritual Hierarchy and the Galactic Federation
10 Imix, 9 Pax, 13 Eb
Selamat Jarin! We return, dear Hearts, with more things to discuss with you! As always, our Earth allies are moving forward at their own very peculiar pace. Our prime intention is to have their objectives manifested within the divine time frame set forth by Heaven and Lord Surea. We have therefore told our liaisons to remind all concerned of these deadlines and of the essential need to meet them. Once again, we have questioned your Ascended Masters about the correctness of our primary backup plan. They were most helpful, and we now have precisely defined operating parameters. Armed with these updates, we have alerted our defense forces and our landing teams about what we intend to achieve in the near future. Once these goals are manifested, the present stalemate can end and your righteous victory be assured! Nevertheless, our personnel must adhere to a set of pre-arranged protocols until the time limits given to us by your Ascended Masters have expired. In the meantime, we remain confident that our Earth allies can finish these final tasks on time.
Another major concern involves the many physical changes planned by Mother Earth. As you know, she deeply desires to transform the present configuration of her surface. Many surface features that had previously subsided will rise again from the depths of her oceans. These rearrangements will result in conditions that would be catastrophic to your global population. Thus, she has delayed the onset of most of these events in deference to you and the immense transformation that you are currently experiencing. However, from time to time, she has given you definite warnings that this state of affairs cannot go on forever. She would ask, therefore, that those groups most able to accelerate these affairs do so, and do so as swiftly as possible. The lengthy delay so far experienced by Mother Earth only increases her intention to urge you forward with your changes at a much more rapid pace. For this reason, we again reiterate the need for expediency on your part. Those leaders in the Earth alliance for the Light must take this urgency into account.
The strange alliance that are our Earth allies has so far been able to move the planning of the new financial, banking, and governmental systems to the verge of manifestation. The last great stumbling block still centers on the disbursement of the various abundance programs begun centuries ago by Saint Germain. This cudgel was taken up a few decades ago by a number of influential scions of some of the wealthiest families in Europe and the Americas. These individuals are dedicated to assuring that the recipients named in this grand Trust receive the monies so lovingly prepared for them. This task has proved to be rather difficult. The vast, dark financial empire created by the former Anunnaki and their Earth-bound minions is not so easily overcome; despite scores of people being arrested, temporarily detained, and otherwise made to bow to this noble initiative, a considerable covert and duplicitous resistance to the distribution of these funds sadly remains in effect. So, a great battle wages, which shall ultimately defeat this unholy union of dark regimes, desperate bankers, and reams of bribed officials secretly aligned with your last dark cabal.
Our liaison and diplomatic personnel meticulously monitor all that is happening and have compiled lists and dossiers of all involved. When necessary, we can use these to quickly identify those who indicate any degree of sympathy for the hugely ambitious objectives of our Earth allies. This list grows gratifyingly longer every day. This research has pinpointed the strengths and weaknesses of our Earth allies´ coalition. As a result, we can use it to formulate the ways and means for them to achieve success. These strategies are on the whole being adhered to. However, a number of crucial exceptions have turned up. These involve various commitments that were agreed to by our Earth allies that now, apparently, require renegotiation. This requirement can keep you on the path to success. It is our earnest desire to move our Earth allies ever forward and to assure you of your sure and certain triumph.
Our concern for your health and welfare has prompted us to increase the number of specialized personnel living among you. They are here to document the effects upon you of the grievous and depressing environment created first by the Anunnaki and later reinforced by your last dark cabal. This information is to be presented during the criminal trials that will be set up by several interim governments of the post-countercoup era. Our on-planet personnel have compiled a most detailed and comprehensive dossier of "life" on your world. It is a lamentable catalogue of injustices, racial prejudices, and the infliction upon you of warped modes of living. All this is in outrageous contrast to the life styles of your still-powerful, dark cabal, whose members enjoy a most advantageous life built upon an inhumane use of wealth and power. This, dear Ones, is shortly to be changed!
While all this is going on, your solar system is undergoing a series of fundamental changes. As mentioned before, your hyperactive Sun is busy flooding this solar system with increasing quantities of charged particles and plasmas, which affect the solar electromagnetic and gravitational fields that hold the whole system together. This means that the various fields are changing strength as well as polarity. These changes are being driven by the ever-increasing amounts of galactic radiation amassing throughout your solar system. These added energy fields are distorting the physical operating "laws" as currently understood by your scientists. They are forced to the conclusion that something most unusual is underway. As you now know, this is indeed the case: your whole reality is transforming into something entirely different.
These solar and planetary changes are only one indication of the transformation happening to Mother Earth´s humanity. To authenticate what is occurring, focus rather on what is changing within you and in your immediate environment. To the discerning, it is becoming obvious that these multi-leveled transformations are not subject to the usual pace of evolution; it is clear that their speed and direction are intended to entirely metamorphose you and your reality. The divine potential for this is present and can indeed manifest unexpectedly and suddenly. Thus, it is essential that you be prepared for grand change. Our role in this is to activate this change only when those pursuing this course on Earth fail to do so. We therefore watch closely and are ever prepared to act, according to prescribed and divine dictates.
First contact, regardless of how it happens, is the most important watershed in your history. Our arrival changes everything. Instantly, you move from planetary to galactic Beings. The need to reorder your worldview and your understanding of the infinite living Universe now becomes unavoidable. These recast perceptions can throw into question your religions and your deepest beliefs about who you are, the true nature of Creation and indeed the very nature of the Creator. This great shock is only the start of a profound global paradigm shift that can unite you and end the darkness and disorder that has characterized your reality. This is all quite clear to us, dear Ones, and we want you to know that we will arrive swiftly on your shores if the current scenario is not achieved within its divine timeframe. Remember that Together, We are Victorious!
Today, we have continued our discussion of the events of your day. We stress that the procedures hidden from you do indeed have a timetable. We are ready, once your Ascended Masters so agree, to carry out a massive first contact. Hence, it is important for you to be prepared for what is shortly to transpire. We now take our leave. Blessings, dear Ones! Know in your Heart of Hearts that the perpetual Supply and infinite Abundance of Heaven is indeed Yours! Selamat Gajun! Selamat Kasijaram! (Sirian for Be One! and Be Blessed in Love and Joy!)
UNQUOTE
THEY CONTROL THE LAW, ARMIES AND RULERS. SO EXPECT THEM TO DIG THEIR HEELS IN.
GL |
| Coastal Cat
User ID: 2168
United States
5/31/2005 10:59 PM | | Re: Affirmation: NESARA and First Contact Updates. | Quote |
Reminds me of several politicians I´ve heard.
They talk endlessly about how great things
are going to be, and what wonderful things they will do for the people. Keep hope alive, never
give in, we´re here to make it all better for you.
Then the bastard gets elected and doesn´t do ANYTHING.
"...by a mans actions you shall know him". |
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