James Van Allen and "his" Belt and NASA hoax

Who cares about your answer really? Even NASA says the purpose of golden protection, this was not invented by me.

I said ISS is not a hoax but I can't answer for all details because I said I didn't investigate that.

That speaks more than whatever logic of mine...

I said ISS is not a hoax but I can't answer for all details because I said I didn't investigate that.

I demanded an answer for your blatant self-contradiction, you have refused to give one. By your own reasoning it is not intellectually honest to say that you believe Apollo is a hoax but you believe ISS is not,

Perspective? Its the same.

Proved to myself that NASA moonlandings are all bullshit long ago. Want to know how? Just ask yourself where are all the biological experiments where earthlifeforms have been shot up beyond LEO to pave the way for space travel. Show me where they have put any fungus or fruitflys beyond the radiation belts[so sorry,russian turtles from the 60s and "moonmen" don't count]. Show me a few, PLEASE? While you are at it explain to me why no manned missions have ever been sent up to repair communication satellites at geosyc a tenth of the way to the moon?

Ya see bubba ....they LOST them. Yes it's true. Just ask them. You know, they "recycled 'em.
And they don't have the blueprints for the LEM or anything else.
Verner van Braun said himself that it would take an enormous rocket to store the fuel in order to send a man to the moon...
and uh...this was the "father" of Nasa speaking...or should I say Fuhrer?

He said that in 1967. Isn't it amazing how fast they progress in two years...especially since the Russians were soundly kicking our asses in every single aspect of the "space race" They were at least five years ahead of us....but somehow.....suddenly there we are planting our flag on "the moon"...
horseshit.

We never went and that's why we can't go back.

Grow up people.

moon landings are like Santa and the North Pole...
Alot of fun but well....it just isn't like that.



Yet again, you are showing your vast ignorance with every post.

The bluepirnts still exist, as DO THE ORIGINAL VEHICLES that were built for Apollo 18, 19 and 20. Why do you keep trying to ignore this?

In 1967, the Saturn 5 was built and ready for testing. The first Saturn 5 was launched in November 1967.

[link to www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov]

I said ISS is not a hoax but I can't answer for all details because I said I didn't investigate that.

I demanded an answer for your blatant self-contradiction, you have refused to give one. By your own reasoning it is not intellectually honest to say that you believe Apollo is a hoax but you believe ISS is not,



Yet he didnt say that. He said he didnt investigate the ISS.

Perspective? Its the same.




Just goes to show what a piss poor job you've done investigating this claim. If you take a couple of images from Apollo 15 of those mountains taken from different locations (with different foregrounds) where you claim the "backdrop" has remained the same you can construct a very effective 3d stereo image of the distant mountains, proving the mountains were real as was apollo.
Cross your eyes until the images overlap to see the mountains true 3d shape:
[link to i14.photobucket.com]
I'm so glad you brought this claim up, thank you for self-destructing your own theory.

His claim regarding the gold visor demands he either conclude that ISS is also a hoax or that he was wrong.

Van Braun stated at that time it would never fly to the moon. And it never did. It did not have the fuel capacity.

NASA has not produced the blueprints and has now stated they are lost...

There are not even blueprints for the alleged moon suites they wore.

You are a liar and a fraud...just like the moon missions themselves.

His claim regarding the gold visor demands he either conclude that ISS is also a hoax or that he was wrong.


No. The post wasnt about the ISS, and he said he didnt investigate the ISS.

That's all.

I said ISS is not a hoax

Nope. Same backdrop, different missions, supposedly hundreds of miles apart. The photos speak for themselves.

A set. No way around it.

Van Braun stated at that time it would never fly to the moon. And it never did. It did not have the fuel capacity.

Bullshit, a Saturn V DOES have the fuel capacity to reach the moon, you can verify it for yourself:
[link to nassp.sourceforge.net]
It works, ignoring it won't change the fact that you are dead wrong.

NASA has not produced the blueprints and has now stated they are lost...

The blueprints are on microfilm at the Marshall Spaceflight Center and some of the hard copies are in East Point, Georgia.
Record Group 255
Records of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration
"Records of the George C. Marshall Space Flight Center, Huntsville, Alabama, 1954-1998. The records relate to research and development of various NASA projects, including Apollo 13, NOVA, NERVA, Saturn Rocket, and SKYLAB; the work of NASA boards; the work of Wernher Von Braun; public affairs; and upper level management activities. Included are briefs, management issuance files, news releases, newspapers (the Marshall Star), program reviews, project files, publications, reassessment files, speech files, and technical reports. Nontextual records include charts, diagrams, and photographs"

There are not even blueprints for the alleged moon suites they wore.

They still use the same suit designs today, ISS EMUs are direct descendents of Apollo EVA suits. So once again, your false belief demands that you also believe ISS is a hoax.

You are a liar and a fraud...just like the moon missions themselves.

That's a serious accusation, and you don't seem to be able to back it up with proof.

Åll lies. If the Saturn moon rocket worked so well why wasn't it used for the launching rockets after the alleged moon mission?

The alleged moon missions used the SAME AMOUNT of fuel to fly 239,000 miles to the moon, and and blast off and BACK as the rockets now use to go to low earth orbit.

neither we or any other advanced nation has been back in more than 40 years though we are now technologically vastly superior to the late 60's.

After 4 pages NONE of them wanted to discuss why they said they didn't 'remember' if they saw stars. Why they refused to answer a simple and ST8 answer which is most relevant "what it meant to be on the moon and the meaning of this for al of us". Why Neil Armostrong quoted the PARROT example of a bad trip and a bird that everybody knows just repeats what they hear? Why they looked so damn neurotic and serious as being forced? .


The cant answer those questions, so they deflect away from it.

Here's the thing. These astronauts were not professional liars. So lying about something this big, is really going to throw them off a bit. The body language is all there, they are lying, anyone can pick up on that.

These men were military pilots, not pro con-men. Hence their inabilty to conceal the body language of a liar.

"They cant remember if they saw stars". Well, heck, who would? I mean, mankinds first trip to the moon?? Who would even think about stars??

They didnt go anywhere near the mooon then, and mankind cant go anywhere near it 41 years later.

Just smoke and mirrors.

[link to www.aulis.com]

Åll lies. If the Saturn moon rocket worked so well why wasn't it used for the launching rockets after the alleged moon mission?

Answer: It didn't work.

The suits they wear today are of a completely different design.

These suits do not even exist anymore....to say they are the "direct descendent is a joke.

The alleged moon missions used the SAME AMOUNT of fuel to fly 239,000 miles to the moon, and and blast off and BACK as the rockets now use to go to low earth orbit.

How is that possible?

Micro film my ass. Let's see that microfilm then.

FFS

Now Cletus is pulling Hoaxland out of his ass to 'prove' we never went to the moon...

How fucking desperate...

Whether stars would really be visible or not is irrelevant.


Then stop fucking harping on it...

Nope. Same backdrop, different missions, supposedly hundreds of miles apart. The photos speak for themselves.

A set. No way around it.

You mean like the special effects when they used the same backdrop on different apollo missions? Busted.




Idiot.

There is no such duplicated backdrop.

There are only the efforts of the half-blind to pass off vaguely similar mountains as the same thing.

And the stupid, credulous people who accept this sort of garbage second-hand and don't even bother to look to confirm themselves.

Well, I HAVE looked. I can tell you the names of the people who produced these examples they claim are duplicated backgrounds. With a little more effort, I could track down (again!) the exact pictures.

The most well-known case I can quote straight off involved one of Jack White's studies...specifically, he compares two pictures with very different foregrounds, and what is apparently the same background.

But is it? Well, yes! It is a structure known as the South Massif, approximately ten kilometers from Station Six. And the second photograph is from a panorama taken at Station Seven; a few hundred meters away.

So any reasonable person would expect to see the same mountain (ten kilometers away) to appear in two photographs taken from locations a fraction of that distance apart. Heck, this was understood at least by the time Hokosai picked up a wood chisel.. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

But here's something even more intriguing. If you do a blink comparison between the two pictures Mr. White has identified, you see there are actually slight differences between the two views of the same mountain. Between the pictures, the camera has visibly moved slightly closer, a little lower in altitude, and orbited the mountain by about five degrees.

Which, if you look at the traverse map...across the same terrain which appears in Clementine images, LRO images, and Earth-bound telescopes...you see the distance and direction and relative elevation of Stations Six and Seven is consistent with the change of view angle to the mountain.

AND the same area also occurs in the detailed radar map and 3d reconstruction made by Kaguya...to the extent that you can re-create that same camera move, and compare that to the actual change between these two so-called "identical" backdrops.

Not only are they not identical, but they reveal a wealth of consistent detail vastly beyond the capabilities of the most careful big-budget motion picture.....of details which were not even visible in 1971!

I love it. They are "evasive" because they don't give an instant and clear-cut answer to a question that he says "isn't important."

MR ALDRIN! WHAT DID YOU EAT FOR LUNCH ON JANUARY 11, 1964? WHY ARE YOU HESITATING? BLURT IT OUT, MAN!

The suits they wear today are of a completely different design.

These suits do not even exist anymore....to say they are the "direct descendent is a joke.

The alleged moon missions used the SAME AMOUNT of fuel to fly 239,000 miles to the moon, and and blast off and BACK as the rockets now use to go to low earth orbit.

Is this nomuse (NLI)no-brain the one who put the example of what Aldrin ate in 1964 with the statement of 3 amnesic regarding to the stars and refusing to answer questions about the moon immediately after they got back? Well, well, Spock would say "not logic" reasoning.

So you forgot already that the specific question was about whether they saw stars, AND that you specifically said that it wasn't important if they did or not?

Sure, the MISSION is important. But they had other things to worry about. It's a bit like asking Amundsen, after he got back, if he happened to look for two snowflakes that were exactly alike. Err...let's focus on what mattered to actually getting to the pole, okay?