Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,081 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,386,111
Pageviews Today: 1,831,263Threads Today: 340Posts Today: 7,786
03:57 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story

 
Anonymous Coward
04/16/2005 04:55 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Earth Maker took some clay in his hands, mixed it with his own sweat and formed it into two figures - a man and a woman. He breathed life into them and they began to walk around. They lived. They had children. They populated the land and built villages.

At a time when there were already numbers of people living, Szeukha, Earth Makers son, dwelled in the valley of the Gila River. Near him lived a famous seer who could foretell the future.
One night while the seer slept, someone came to speak to him, making a great noise at his door. The seer woke up and looked out. Sillhouetted against the light of the moon was a big bird standing in the doorway. It was the great eagle who said, "Wake up! Stir yourself! You´re a seer, you´re a healer. Don´t you know a great flood is coming?"
"I know nothing about a flood", said the seer, laughing at the eagle.
" Go away and let me sleep."

The great eagle came three times more to warn the seer, who ridiculed and scolded him.
"Don´t bother me, bird of misfortune. We all know what kind of person you are. You roam the villages in the shape of an old woman and afterwards some girls and children have disapeared and are never seen again. We don´t want you around here."

You´d better believe what I´m telling you" said the great eagle.
"This whole valley will be flooded. Everything will be destroyed".

"You are a lier", said the seer.
"And you´re a seer who sees nothing", said the great eagle.

The bird flew away and hardly had he gone when a tremendous thunderclap was heard, the loadest there has ever been.
Even children in the womb heard it. It began thundering continuosly as great flashes of lightning lit up the sky.
When morning came, the sun remained hidden behind dark clouds and there was only twilight, gray and misty.

Then the Earth trembled and there was a great roar of something immense moving.
The people saw a sheer green wall advancing toward them, filling the valley from one side to the other.
At first, they did not know what it was and then they realised it was a wall of green water. Destroying everything in it´s path, it came like a huge beast, a green monster, rushing upon them foaming, hissing, in a cloud of spray.

It engulfed the seers house and carried it away with the seer, who was never seen again.
Then the water fell upon the villages. sweeping away homes. people and trees. The flood swept the valley clean as with a broom. Then it rushed on beyond the valley to wreak havok elsewhere.

When the next day dawned, there was nothing alive except Szeukha, Earth Makers son, floating on a lump of pine resin. The waters abated a little and his strange craft bumped into a mountain above the Salt River. He stepped ashore and lived a while in a cave on that mountain. The cave is still there and so are some of the tools and weapons that Earth makers son used.

Now, Szeuhka was going up to fight the great eagle. He was furious at this bird, who he thought had caused the great flood. Szeukha took wood from differant kinds of trees and made a ladder. He leaned it against the cliff atop which the great Eagle had his home and the ladder reached into the clouds.

Szeukha climbed it, found the great eagle and fought him. It was a big fight and lasted a long time, for both Szeukha and the great eagle were powerful and had strong magic but Szeukha was more powerful, his magic more potent and at last he killed the great eagle.

Looking around, Szeukha saw the corpses and bones of all the people he had abducted and killed. He brought them all back to life, fed and clothed them and told them to spread out and repeople the land.
Inside great eagles house he found a woman and her child alive. The eagle had stolen her from a village and taken her for his wife.
Szeukha fed and clothed her and the child also and sent them on their way.
The woman was pregnant at the time and she became the mother and begetter of the Hohokam people, from whom the Pima´s are descended.

Old Indian Man
Old Indian Man
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Each time I post a new story it comes up as an AC thread. Maybe it is to help keep the dark ones away. They will get bored with the stories anyway and move on.
SilverVision(nli)
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Hi OIM, overslept this morning......love the Pima story......the images are so vivid. I truly appreciate your effort here......I read all your threads even if I don´t have time to post. Thank you........Silver
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Old Indian Man,
There´s a time-out feature on this forum. If you take too long creating a post, it´ll log you out.
Try writing the post in WordPad or NotePad then pasting the thing into your new thread.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
IMHO, the seer wasn´t fit to be a seer anyway. Good riddance.

But what are we to think of the eagle? He had abducted many people and imprisoned them in his nest. Was he "selecting" people to be saved by the coming flood all along? He did try to warn the people, through the incompetent seer.

Or is he some nasty abductor-type, interested only in having slaves and people to serve him, not knowing that someday Szeukha would find him and kill him. If that´s so, why did he warn the seer? Did he warn that time, knowing the seer wouldn´t listen to him anyway?
Silver Vision
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
When one is ready to "see", he will see. Until then he reasons in a 3D type of thinking. Yes we live partly in a linear time based world but more and more we live in the circular, which is spiritual. Some want only to hear the spiritual, are hungry for wisdom, some still cling desperately to the physical. To each his own. To interpret someone´s vision totally in the physical is a mistake.....visions are spiritual and come from a sacred place.....trying to reach our soul mind. Each of us will "get" what we choose from the story. May Peace be your dwelling place............Silver
Old Indian Man
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Well said Silver. Thank you.
Old Indian Man
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Thanks for the advice on the time out. I do have word pad but not sure how I´d paste it onto the thread. On the good side though, I´ve noticed it keeps the trolls from investigating my threads. If they see a new thread with "Old Indian Man" at the top, they´re more likely to infiltrate it with their dark energies. I always post a new thread with the coffee cup icon, so you can watch for that. Thanks again though.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
"They will get bored with the stories anyway and move on".hi
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
You´re welcome.

Silver Vision:
I understand what you´re saying, but it doesn´t relate. The post was not a vision. It was a story. And stories are used to pass down traditions and information. Both very 3D concepts.
Old Indian Man
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Your concept whether you see it as a story or vision is yours. Each person will have a picture painted in his or her mind in a differant way.
It is only a story but how it relates to you is yours to keep in any way you choose. Also if told to the first person in a line of people, the story will come out differant at the end of the line. It really makes no differance though as long as you see a picture that you can relate to in your own way. This particular story has probably been told in a differant way a thousand times before.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
bump
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
nice story,ive crossed the white and black and salt many times

old man is an old asian term for god
the Madman
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
old indian man
you could write the story
then pullup another window and login
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
copy and paste

do your presentation --i prefer notepad-click on the mouse and you will see "select all" the message should turn a color"blue" then click the mouse again and you should see "copy" and bring it over to your "glp" post
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
OIM- I use MicroSoft Word if I´m going to do something long. I type it in, minimize it, go to the forum/thread, go to where I want, then open word-copy & paste
Pinky
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
I´m glad I found your post, OIM. I´ll keep an out out for the coffee cup.

cool2
Old Indian Man
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: The Seer Who Would Not See. A 19th century Pima Indian story
Mucho Wado

News