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BREAKING: Plane Crashes into Austin Texas F.B.I. Building - The Echelon Building!

 
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Pure speculation but there's no way a normally fueled PA-28 with one person inside caused all that destruction.


I find it hard to believe also.
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Absolutely. It's entirely without credibility.
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Who is Dave Griffith and why does he know that building is Echelon 3? And he has flown comparable planes for years and years? And who is the Emergency Room guy? And yet another coincidence that he is also there?
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"A house fire is also reported in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane in Austin, Texas that is reported to be the pilotís house. The house was fully involved with fire when firefighters arrived on the scene. The manís daughter later told police that her dad started the house on fire at about 9:30 a.m."

[link to www.arlingtoncardinal.com]

How did he start the fire at 9:30, drive 26 minutes to the airport and fly the plane into that building at 9:46?

Impressive!

Curious also why he would post a suicide note on his business website.
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Re: BREAKING: Plane Crashes into Austin Texas F.B.I. Building - The Echelon Building!
Well, Texas is where they killed 83 men, WOMEN and CHILDREN by FIRE (Waco) and bulldozed they bodies into a mass grave, on orders of the DYKE, Janet Reno; where a few hundred men fought of the Mexican Santa Anna at the Alamo; and, NOW, where Joe Stack died for what he believed in to set an example for us.

Let's change the old cry of " Remember the Alamo " to .... "Remember Joe Stack !"

Let's vow to NOT go quietly into their detention/prison camps/jails, but go down fighting !
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SET - BLACK god OF CHAOS

X - THE SO CALLED MONOGRAM OF CHRIST. TAV

TAV- LAST LETTER (MEANING MARK) OF 44 GLYPH HEBREW ALEP BEIT

GOD PUT A MARK ON CAIN AFTER HE KILLED HIS BROTHER

VATICAN ANAGRAM - TAV CAIN


THE BLACK god OF CHAOS AND THE COUNTERFEIT ENDING OF GREEK TRAGEDY -

Jeremiah spoke on behalf of the Lord. . .

For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an EXPECTED end. (AS OPPOSED TO THE TRAGIC END OF THE GER MAN POPE)
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I am a pilot. I learned to fly in a Piper PA-28.

These are lightweight aircraft, basically, motorized aluminum box kites. They're designed to carry 4 adults and have a range of a few hundred miles. They're quite safe to fly but built to be as lightweight as possible while still strong. Non-pilots might be surprised to find that your automobile is built much more "solid" than a PA-28 is.

I am also trained in aviation accident investigation. My instructor at the time was the director of aviation safety for NTSB.

The amount of damage to that building is excessive for a Piper Cherokee impact. We're talking about a plane that weight about as much as a small car (ie. a Volkswagen Beetle). When I first saw the photos I thought it must have been a larger aircraft, maybe a large twin (ie. Cessna 414) or a small business jet (Citation 525).

Check out Wikipedia for the articles about the Cessna 150 that crashed into the White House in 1994, or the Cessna 172 that crashed into the high rise building in Tampa in 2002.

In 1994 the only damage to the White House was a small ding on the side of the building. In 2002 the damage was basically restricted to one office. The Cessna 150 is lighter and smaller than a PA-28 (but not much), and the Cessna 172 is almost identical in weight, size, and performance.

The most logical explanation is that the perpetrator of this attack loaded the seats of the aircraft with some kind of explosive devices. Based on the photos from the crash site, some kind of incendiary devices - perhaps large trashcans filled with "homemade napalm."

Pure speculation but there's no way a normally fueled PA-28 with one person inside caused all that destruction.
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hf good info.
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guy on cnn says 40 gallons, but may have been carrying accelerant with him, former ntsb.
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"No cause for concern from a terrorism perspective."
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Well that proves that this isn't going to be blamed on the Tea-baggers or anyone like that.
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On another site they've been discussing a weird cryptic website for awhile now and it recently got bumped again.

The website is www.debbiewins.com and I was looking at it this morning and it had a link to a youtube video which was a trailed for the Echelon movie.

www.Youtube.com/watch?v=DkIx5bT5SBQ

Didn't think anything of it until I saw the title of this thread!

On the other website they seem to think that 'debbie' is giving out warnings about stuff about to happen. It's all been a bit weird but it's one of those things that make you go hmmmm
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It was not a terror attack because they did not make it or know about it.
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Wonder if this guy was a "whistle blower" who knew he was a dead man anyway, if he let the cat outta the bag. Would love to see what he left behind - knowing it would be found. We'll probably never know.
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yep could be and they threatend him and his family to burn there house down so he left to fly into the building and they arsoned his house. hmmmmmmm
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And all the while this is the biggy on MSM this is also happening else where? UMMMMM
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Hmmm, that deserves a thread all on it's own...
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Finally able to watch a video of the damage...LOL there's no way all that damage was caused by just the plane. No. Way.
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KVUE News [link to www.kvue.com] just reported that the wife and daughter of the pilot were NOT in the house at the time of the fire because after a huge fight with the pilot last night the wife and daughter went to a hotel for the night.

Hummm.
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"No cause for concern from a terrorism perspective."


Well that proves that this isn't going to be blamed on the Tea-baggers or anyone like that.
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Yeah but, Tea-baggers will take heat over this. One of my friends wrote on his Facebook page," It must have been a teabagger who listened to Glen Beck."

Which is probably the reason this was staged. To make political dissidents appear to be crazy.
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Finally able to watch a video of the damage...LOL there's no way all that damage was caused by just the plane. No. Way.
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An office building has plenty of flammable stuff in it, and if (as has been mentioned) he was carrying extra fuel or accelerants in the plane it could do that damage.
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OBAMA SYMBOLIZES THE BLACK god SET - HE IS THE 44th 'PUPPET' (PUNCH) OF THE PAPAL PROFESSOR PUPPETEER


Ratzinger became a professor at the University of Bonn in 1959; his inaugural lecture was on "The God of Faith and the God of Philosophy. ...
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"No cause for concern from a terrorism perspective."


Well that proves that this isn't going to be blamed on the Tea-baggers or anyone like that.


Yeah but, Tea-baggers will take heat over this. One of my friends wrote on his Facebook page," It must have been a teabagger who listened to Glen Beck."

Which is probably the reason this was staged. To make political dissidents appear to be crazy.
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He doesn't seem to be a political dissident as such from what I've seen, just a guy VERY pissed off with the IRS.
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Shep is not calling it a manafesto. Cuz it isn't one "its the rantings of a crazy man." Shep is pushing the crazy, "Crazy is as crazy does" and "crazy did today" He so clever! TOOL
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"A house fire is also reported in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane in Austin, Texas that is reported to be the pilotís house. The house was fully involved with fire when firefighters arrived on the scene. The manís daughter later told police that her dad started the house on fire at about 9:30 a.m."

[link to www.arlingtoncardinal.com]

How did he start the fire at 9:30, drive 26 minutes to the airport and fly the plane into that building at 9:46?

Impressive!

Curious also why he would post a suicide note on his business website.
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Curious also that a camera crew thought filming a house fire took precedent over a plane crash.
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"A house fire is also reported in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane in Austin, Texas that is reported to be the pilotís house. The house was fully involved with fire when firefighters arrived on the scene. The manís daughter later told police that her dad started the house on fire at about 9:30 a.m."

[link to www.arlingtoncardinal.com]

How did he start the fire at 9:30, drive 26 minutes to the airport and fly the plane into that building at 9:46?

Impressive!

Curious also why he would post a suicide note on his business website.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894433


Because...it's all....BULLSHIT.

Major IRS records destroyed. What huge entity was being audited???? Hmmm????

Who disappeared? Can't be accounted for?????

This will be another 9/11, no answers given.
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On another site they've been discussing a weird cryptic website for awhile now and it recently got bumped again.

The website is www.debbiewins.com and I was looking at it this morning and it had a link to a youtube video which was a trailed for the Echelon movie.

www.Youtube.com/watch?v=DkIx5bT5SBQ

Didn't think anything of it until I saw the title of this thread!

On the other website they seem to think that 'debbie' is giving out warnings about stuff about to happen. It's all been a bit weird but it's one of those things that make you go hmmmm
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weird ass shit
what site is discussing this
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Several quotes from people there: "Thought it was a bomb." "Sounded like a bomb."

And as I listen to CNN, it feels just like 9/11, only now I'm watching the fake reality being created in real time, as opposed to realizing it in hindsight.
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Notice that the new story is "Iran MAY be working on a nuclear warhead".

Time to look away folks....today's story will die soon....

The way it was meant to.
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Curious also that a camera crew thought filming a house fire took precedent over a plane crash.
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Well, to be fair, there are lots of camera crews in Austin, and the crash wasn't until around very close to 10. Traffic in Austin is horrid, as one would expect in a large city, so moving from one place to another is difficult. If I were a news director I would send a DIFFERENT crew to the crash. At any rate, the crash was shortly after the fire. House fires are usually big news items here. So, maybe there's a good explanation for that, eh?
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On another site they've been discussing a weird cryptic website for awhile now and it recently got bumped again.

The website is www.debbiewins.com and I was looking at it this morning and it had a link to a youtube video which was a trailed for the Echelon movie.

www.Youtube.com/watch?v=DkIx5bT5SBQ

Didn't think anything of it until I saw the title of this thread!

On the other website they seem to think that 'debbie' is giving out warnings about stuff about to happen. It's all been a bit weird but it's one of those things that make you go hmmmm



weird ass shit
what site is discussing this
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ats
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KVUE News no longer doing live coverage of the incident. Bummer.
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"A house fire is also reported in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane in Austin, Texas that is reported to be the pilotís house. The house was fully involved with fire when firefighters arrived on the scene. The manís daughter later told police that her dad started the house on fire at about 9:30 a.m."

[link to www.arlingtoncardinal.com]

How did he start the fire at 9:30, drive 26 minutes to the airport and fly the plane into that building at 9:46?

Impressive!

Curious also why he would post a suicide note on his business website.


Because...it's all....BULLSHIT.

Major IRS records destroyed. What huge entity was being audited???? Hmmm????

Who disappeared? Can't be accounted for?????

This will be another 9/11, no answers given.
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Gov backs all their data up to multiple sites and stores archived backup tapes in old underground bunkers from the cold war days. They didn't lose a byte.
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"A house fire is also reported in the 1800 block of Dapplegrey Lane in Austin, Texas that is reported to be the pilotís house. The house was fully involved with fire when firefighters arrived on the scene. The manís daughter later told police that her dad started the house on fire at about 9:30 a.m."

[link to www.arlingtoncardinal.com]

How did he start the fire at 9:30, drive 26 minutes to the airport and fly the plane into that building at 9:46?

Impressive!

Curious also why he would post a suicide note on his business website.


Curious also that a camera crew thought filming a house fire took precedent over a plane crash.
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House is just about a few blocks from KEYE studios,
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On the other website they seem to think that 'debbie' is giving out warnings about stuff about to happen. It's all been a bit weird but it's one of those things that make you go hmmmm



weird ass shit
what site is discussing this
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 508587


Debbie the crazy Dallas chick?

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