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Links to original documents are at link: as well as news story about the issue. Upshot is that Ontarios schools say parents cannot pull kids from classes that teach gay rights and that parents have no rights but gays do. Hmmm.


Leaked Document: No Opt-Out for Children from Pro-Gay Classes in Ontario Schools
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HAMILTON, Ontario, February 15, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Public school children in Hamilton, Ontario will not be permitted to withdraw from classes that promote homosexuality, according to the Hamilton Mountain News. At the same time, according to a leaked document obtained by a local journalist, teachers are being instructed to tell parents who object to the curriculum that “this is not about parent rights.”

At the end of January, the Hamilton-Wentworth District School Board (HWDSB) hosted a professional development day dedicated to “equity” training, where they distributed a sheet to teachers with “quick responses” they can offer to parents who object to the school board's “anti-homophobia” curriculum.

That document was obtained by journalist Mark Cripps, and posted on the website of the Hamilton Mountain News. Cripps observes that the handout “basically indicates parents have no rights when it comes to their child’s education at the HWDSB.”

In addition, Cripps reports that, “The board says no child will be excused from the class when topics of homosexuality are brought into the classroom.”

The school board is developing a new equity policy, as required of all boards under the Ontario Ministry of Education's equity strategy, announced last year. Among other things, the Ministry is requiring all boards, Catholic and public, to develop a plan for combating “homophobia.”

The sheet given to the HWDSB teachers specifies that teachers do not “condone” the removal of children from classes that deal with homosexuality. If told, “This is against our rights as parents to teach our own set of family values,” the board suggests teachers offer the following responses:

- “As teachers, we do not condone children being removed from our classes when we teach about Aboriginal People, people of color, people with disabilities or gays and lesbians.

- “You can teach your child your own values at home. Public schools teach everyone about respecting diversity and valuing everyone.

- “This is not about parent rights. Children have the right to an inclusive education free from discrimination.”

Jim Enos, President of the Hamilton-Wentworth Family Action Council (HWFAC), told LifeSiteNews (LSN) that he was struck by “the obvious point that parents who object [to the homosexuality curriculum] will be ignored, and that the schools educate your children in their ideology whether you like it or not.”
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."
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welcome to the New World Order control grid
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what is "pro gay" cirriculum?
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that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."
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Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....
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that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.
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does that include water sports and fisting ?
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."
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Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.
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that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.



does that include water sports and fisting ?
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Coming from someone whom gets fisted with large pieces of furniture daily.....guess you should know....
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."



Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.
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Neither did I, until they started forcing this on our kids.

They crossed the line. Sorry.
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that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.



does that include water sports and fisting ?


Coming from someone whom gets fisted with large pieces of furniture daily.....guess you should know....
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its a fair enough question


does teaching kids about gay life style include lessons on fisting ?
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Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.
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christians will be mass murderd by militants like you
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....
 Quoting: Dreamcatcher 796629

talking point, and I quote:
- “This is not about parent rights."

direct quote, and I quote:

"Cripps reports that, “The board says no child will be excused from the class when topics of homosexuality are brought into the classroom.”

the upshot is that parents who object to their children- even of kindergarten age- being taught about the gay lifestyle have no right to pull their child from that class, even on religious grounds. The parent rights and their religious rights are being set aside with this practice of not allowing an opt-out in favor of gay rights. The thread title is spot on.

As for the accusation that I am trying to stir things up: you are RIGHT! I object to parents being told by the school system they have no moral or religious grounds to shield their child from objectionable material. Not that the parents were trying to stop the curriculum, that they are now not ALLOWED to remove their own kids from the class. This is bad. What if your kids was in this class and the school taught creationism and said that you have no right to remove your kids from that class? That you are NOT stirred up by the issue of no parental rights speaks more to your mindset than than me who posted the issue.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....
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Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?
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what is "pro gay" cirriculum?

that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.
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NO, I'm asking what class this is supposedly being taught in.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?
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No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."



Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.
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homosexuality is one of the sins (among many) that the bible says will bar a person from entering heaven. I don't judge them by the lifestyle they choose to lead, any more than I judge a person for lying or gossiping or murdering, also in the list of sins that bar a person from heaven. But the bible does say that sin is sin, being gay is among those sins. All sinners must rpeent or they will be apart from God for all eternity.

As for the real issue: schools have crossed the line in telling parents they have no right to remove their kids form a class that teaches curricula that are against their morals, religion, or simply personal choice. The state telling parents they have no rights in the issue Forcing kids to receive objectionable material against parental wishes is indoctrination

INDOCTRINATION. Worse, it is brainwashing - "forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs"
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?


No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?
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No i am not dumb enough to have kids, but I see no reason why this is a big deal, i would want my kid thinking gays are bad just because a bunch of christers told him so.

This is not about anything more than teaching tolerance, i know that is liberal and the devil but its for the betterment off all.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."



Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.

homosexuality is one of the sins (among many) that the bible says will bar a person from entering heaven. I don't judge them by the lifestyle they choose to lead, any more than I judge a person for lying or gossiping or murdering, also in the list of sins that bar a person from heaven. But the bible does say that sin is sin, being gay is among those sins. All sinners must rpeent or they will be apart from God for all eternity.

As for the real issue: schools have crossed the line in telling parents they have no right to remove their kids form a class that teaches curricula that are against their morals, religion, or simply personal choice. The state telling parents they have no rights in the issue Forcing kids to receive objectionable material against parental wishes is indoctrination

INDOCTRINATION. Worse, it is brainwashing - "forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs"
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Well the line has to be drawn at some point, you should not be allowed to keep your child from being educated, regardless of your hangups about gays.
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what is "pro gay" cirriculum?

that homosexuality is innate/biological, that it is an acceptable lifestyle along with anyother, that gay marriage is just another form of a regular family unit, etc.


NO, I'm asking what class this is supposedly being taught in.
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All public school classes in Hamilton Ontario, from k-12. 50,000 students in 95 elementary and 18 secondary schools plus alternative schools.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?


No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?


No i am not dumb enough to have kids, but I see no reason why this is a big deal, i would want my kid thinking gays are bad just because a bunch of christers told him so.

This is not about anything more than teaching tolerance, i know that is liberal and the devil but its for the betterment off all.
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Yeah...ok.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?


No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?


No i am not dumb enough to have kids, but I see no reason why this is a big deal, i would want my kid thinking gays are bad just because a bunch of christers told him so.

This is not about anything more than teaching tolerance, i know that is liberal and the devil but its for the betterment off all.

Yeah...ok.
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O fuck off, we are talking about your kids and tolerance to gays, not my hate of you fucking christers and your backwards ass policies.

This whole, i want my kid to hate gays thing is a prime example of why a war needs to be declared on you fucks.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."



Also, noting your Biblical quote at the bottom of all your posts, seems to me I would be 100 percent correct that you are anti gay as well.....not quoting directly from your Bible yet? Oh---I am not gay by the way...I have 5 kids, I come from a pro-Christian family, but we do NOT JUDGE OTHERS or the lives they choose to lead.

homosexuality is one of the sins (among many) that the bible says will bar a person from entering heaven. I don't judge them by the lifestyle they choose to lead, any more than I judge a person for lying or gossiping or murdering, also in the list of sins that bar a person from heaven. But the bible does say that sin is sin, being gay is among those sins. All sinners must rpeent or they will be apart from God for all eternity.

As for the real issue: schools have crossed the line in telling parents they have no right to remove their kids form a class that teaches curricula that are against their morals, religion, or simply personal choice. The state telling parents they have no rights in the issue Forcing kids to receive objectionable material against parental wishes is indoctrination

INDOCTRINATION. Worse, it is brainwashing - "forcible indoctrination into a new set of attitudes and beliefs"



Well the line has to be drawn at some point, you should not be allowed to keep your child from being educated, regardless of your hangups about gays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 872204

no one is saying the kids will not be educated, that is a generalization. Parents should have the right to object to material and to remove their kids from classes they feel are detrimental to their beliefs or morals. At what point do you keep accepting the forced indoctrination of any curriculum? If you had a child in the schools and were told that you had no right to remove your kids from classes that taught something you were adamantly opposed to, say bestiality, wouldn't' you object? Or would you say with equanimity that you are all for all children getting an education, your own rights be damned for the basi good and cede authority to the schools (which you taxes pay for, they are public servants you know).
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Until WE wake up and realize the AGE OF AQUARIUS is a GAY AGENDA, we have no hope. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST!
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Well the line has to be drawn at some point, you should not be allowed to keep your child from being educated, regardless of your hangups about gays.

no one is saying the kids will not be educated, that is a generalization. Parents should have the right to object to material and to remove their kids from classes they feel are detrimental to their beliefs or morals. At what point do you keep accepting the forced indoctrination of any curriculum? If you had a child in the schools and were told that you had no right to remove your kids from classes that taught something you were adamantly opposed to, say bestiality, wouldn't' you object? Or would you say with equanimity that you are all for all children getting an education, your own rights be damned for the basi good and cede authority to the schools (which you taxes pay for, they are public servants you know).
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No one is teaching bestiality, and the fact that you equate that to gayness is exactly what the school is trying to address, we do not need your children growing up to be the sack of shit bigot that you obviously are.

And yeah i do pay taxes that why im for this kind of thing, i do not want my tax dollars being used to educate only to have the child grow up spitting the shit their parents indoctronated them with.

This is really quite simple, you tell that child what you think the deal is, and you let the child LEARN in school and let him make the choice.

There is a lot of forcing going on here and its not just on the school level.
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Also how does explaining to your kids that being gay does not make a person evil and there is not need to be afraid of them equate to "gay agenda"?

Its not the school is making them gay its just letting them know that there is no reason to hate.

And that is the real bottom line with you fucks, you cannot stand the idea of tolerance.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?


No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?


No i am not dumb enough to have kids, but I see no reason why this is a big deal, i would want my kid thinking gays are bad just because a bunch of christers told him so.

This is not about anything more than teaching tolerance, i know that is liberal and the devil but its for the betterment off all.

Yeah...ok.


O fuck off, we are talking about your kids and tolerance to gays, not my hate of you fucking christers and your backwards ass policies.

This whole, i want my kid to hate gays thing is a prime example of why a war needs to be declared on you fucks.
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Yes...there's nothing quite like the tolerance of a liberal.
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exactly. gays have rights but parents do not. "Whether they like it or not."


Your title is very misleading. All that is being suggested is kids learn there are gay people out there, to not be afraid or HATE THEM, and that it is ok.....stop trying to stir shit up....


Well thats even too much for these bigots.

I think the school is in the right here, do we need future generations being all hung up about gays for no reason?


No. We need well programmed little wards of the state who will do and believe what they're told.

You obviously don't have kids, do you?


No i am not dumb enough to have kids, but I see no reason why this is a big deal, i would want my kid thinking gays are bad just because a bunch of christers told him so.

This is not about anything more than teaching tolerance, i know that is liberal and the devil but its for the betterment off all.

Yeah...ok.


O fuck off, we are talking about your kids and tolerance to gays, not my hate of you fucking christers and your backwards ass policies.

This whole, i want my kid to hate gays thing is a prime example of why a war needs to be declared on you fucks.


Yes...there's nothing quite like the tolerance of a liberal.
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Yeah yeah dodge the point, and how much more clear do i need to be GLP has taken all of my tolerance for you chirster fucks away, and liberal has nothing to do with it you simpleton.


Here you are bitching that you dont have the right to keep your children backwards? Yeah i have zero tolerance for that shit.
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Well the line has to be drawn at some point, you should not be allowed to keep your child from being educated, regardless of your hangups about gays.

no one is saying the kids will not be educated, that is a generalization. Parents should have the right to object to material and to remove their kids from classes they feel are detrimental to their beliefs or morals. At what point do you keep accepting the forced indoctrination of any curriculum? If you had a child in the schools and were told that you had no right to remove your kids from classes that taught something you were adamantly opposed to, say bestiality, wouldn't' you object? Or would you say with equanimity that you are all for all children getting an education, your own rights be damned for the basi good and cede authority to the schools (which you taxes pay for, they are public servants you know).



No one is teaching bestiality, and the fact that you equate that to gayness is exactly what the school is trying to address, we do not need your children growing up to be the sack of shit bigot that you obviously are.

And yeah i do pay taxes that why im for this kind of thing, i do not want my tax dollars being used to educate only to have the child grow up spitting the shit their parents indoctronated them with.

This is really quite simple, you tell that child what you think the deal is, and you let the child LEARN in school and let him make the choice.

There is a lot of forcing going on here and its not just on the school level.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 872204

I do not equate bestiality to gayness. I was reaching for a curriculum example that a liberal would object to. I have to go that far to get there. Remove the word bestiality and insert something objectionable to YOU.

This is the question that you overlooked:

"At what point do you keep accepting the forced indoctrination of any curriculum? If you had a child in the schools and were told that you had no right to remove your kids from classes that taught something you were adamantly opposed to, say ,INSERT YOUR OBJECIONABLE MATERIAL HERE, wouldn't you object?"

At what point do you say, my child is my child and I have a right as his parent to monitor what he is taught?
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17

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