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**** the LARGEST RESEARCH FRAUD in medical history !! ****

 
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Well, genius, let's see . . .

Yes, I've seen articles in pubmed about natural ways of doing things, but I've never heard a doctor talk about them. That's even worse, the knowledge is there but they won't use it because it isn't profitable enough. And what about nutrition? Food intolerances can cause many problems, like arthritis or asthma. But no doctor learns about these things because it's not profitable so it won't be taught in medical school.

You want to talk about cost benefit analysis? Like regarding harsh side effects? I'd like to see you go through the agony of some chemotherapy and see how you feel about "cost benefit" then.

How is my stating facts propoganda?

What's so hard for you to understand when I say the medical profession is needed for crisis management but their chronic disease treatments are a scam? How is that bullcrap? I guess I didn't elaborate enough for you, I was trying to be brief. They are a scam because they are merely symptom relief, NOT treatments for the actual root cause of the problem. In fact, most of the time they don't even LOOK for the root cause. Many chronic diseases have their roots in the intestines, but they are seldom checked. Which means something is happening that is doing damage in the body. But I guess that's good for you because then people will eventually need another pill. That's why your profession is so profitable. And apparently, you WERE brainwashed because I have to point this out to you. I never said I can't stand people like you, you are just operating under a devious profession that puts profits ahead of suffering but you had no idea when you got into it. And now you are so brainwashed that you can't see it. What I don't like is the medical profession purporting to have the ONLY treatments available to mankind when it comes to cancer and chronic diseases. I was lied to by my own doctor who said that chemo was the ONLY TREATMENT on the planet for my problem.

You are trying to make drugs safe instead of using natural substances that work! Listen to yourself! So yes, maybe you are trying like hell to make the drug safe, but it's not the most effective treatment! Who cares how many hours you spend making a dangerous drug less dangerous? If I really wanted to know, I imagine I'd look it up. And I have a friend who used to do these "tests", too. And what she told me is that they are given vials of substances and not told what they are. Plus they sign a myriad of nondisclosure agreements. So if a substance shows positive healing properties, they can't "leak" the identity of the substance. I guess that would put a sizable cut in some profits, depending on what drugs it could replace.

Back to paragraph one. Who cares about genetic roots of disease if it's a food intolerance? Wheat and dairy are the most common, not just the lactose but the casein for dairy. But no doctor ever told me about them. Even the digestive disease specialist I was seeing, supposedly the best in town, when asked if what I was eating could be a problem for me he replied "no way". And told me to follow the food pyramid, with plenty of "whole grains". The ultimate in arrogance and stupidity.

Listen to yourself again, stem cells and gene therapy. I'm willing to bet they won't come cheap. There are simple food intolerances causing many problems, and yes, they probably have a genetic factor! So what! So instead of trying to run down the particular food, you want to manipulate genes and charge big bucks!

And the examples you cited: the blind man regaining his sight and the paralyzed to walk again. These are crisis situations, not chronic diseases! It has no bearing on what I'm talking about! Maybe you should get some brain stem cells. You are looking for the MOST PROFITABLE best possible treatment or cure you can find. And what firsthand experience has showed you otherwise? Did you know that even the American Cancer Society, who takes public donations mind you, even says clearly on their website that they only give grants for "patentable cures" for cancer? And they are taking public donations! So why are they acting like a drug company?

Sorry about lysine, I didn't check pubmed. I guess that's another example of the knowledge being there but doctors not using it. That's why I assumed there were no double blind studies! So that means I'm "full of crap"? I don't think so and I think most people agree with me. Thanks for pointing that lysine study out to me, it doesn't help your end at all, though. And by the way, arginine and lysine both compete for receptors in the body. So you just make sure you take your lysine before consuming any foods that are high in arginine like nuts. Anybody who has spent 5 minutes googling about lysine and herpes could have figured this out. But I guess you guys follow your standard money-making protocols instead. Yeah, I know, too many patients, too little time to go searching for knowledge and find out how you could help people with more effective, less dangerous treatments.

So what else did I "lie" about? You know what I'm saying is true because you got all fired up about it.
 Quoting: Catseye 895544


GREAT POST, I agree with you 100%!!!
We all have to become "doctors" if we want to survive in this world! We need to educate ourselves...
Medicine is big business, it is understandable why they want us sick!
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Science has for many people become the new religion, we see
the call for scientific verification a lot on th GLP.

Since when is asking for proof a "religion"?
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When it becomes dogmatic, corrupt and has delusions of infallibility.
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Well astronut, I for one thank you. I sustained a pretty bad injury as a kid to my tailbone. I've never had it verified but I believe it caused enough damage that I found myself impotent at the sexual peak in my life (21).

I've been taking Cialis for some time now with no complication and only good results.

Not all drugs are bad, mmkay?
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Actually, about the lysine, I said double blind study AND FDA approved. I see you provided a pubmed link to the study, but what about the FDA approval? The medical profession uses "medicine" to treat people. But there are college courses on how to people for chronic diseases using nutrition and supplements. These are much more safe and effective than drugs in the vast majority of ailments. The greatest fallacy here is labeling the medical profession's sales of drugs, tests and surgery as "health care". In lifesaving situations it may be, but their treatment of chronic diseases is crapola and so well disguised that even the doctors - the actual drug salesmen themselves - don't understand the difference.
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In the late 1800's a young man employed as a door to door liniment (snake oil) salesman realized the tremendous profit making potential of the business and began making his own remedies - that young man was John D. Rockefeller, whose father was also highly succesful in the field, and thus began the era of pharmaceutical vs natural and preventative medicine...it was the proceeds of that business that the start up money for Standard Oil came from. As Rockefeller's fortune increased, he began soliciting the universities of America to lean toward a remedy oriented medical model in exchange for large endowments to their medical schools - until the turn of the century most doctors did not attend medical schools but apprenticed with already established physicians; it was Rockefeller money, made in the fashion of the king of Tyre, that standardized and popularized main stream 'medicine'.

Health care today is based on a satanic model, as opposed to the model God set forth in His statutes - the first and foremost was the command not have contact with the dead for it defiled not only the practitioner, but everyone the practitioner came into contact with (Numbers 5:1 Haggai 2:13,14)....the medical school model of Mr. Rockefeller's profit oriented devising guarantees the sickness of all by the required contact with corpses in anatomy and physiology class.

With all the so called 'debate' going on about the health care bill, the plans were laid many years ago and are now about to come to fruition - God says the wicked will die by the pestilence and the swine flu, although devised by the wicked, is an aspect of Gods wrath soon to be visited on the unrepentant .
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Well astronut, I for one thank you. I sustained a pretty bad injury as a kid to my tailbone. I've never had it verified but I believe it caused enough damage that I found myself impotent at the sexual peak in my life (21).

I've been taking Cialis for some time now with no complication and only good results.

Not all drugs are bad, mmkay?
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Absolutely true, there are some very good drugs out there.
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One very good drug that I´d take all the time if I could, is Hydergine (Sandoz). The most underrated drug of all time.
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I'll admit there are some good drugs out there. But you have to know what kind of problem to let a medical doctor treat. I agree that if I was a 21 year old male, I would certainly consider any problem involving sex to be a crisis situation and I would do whatever I had to do to fix it, within reason.

Hydergine does sound interesting. But the site I just brought up to check out spoke about tests on cats. Apparently, it increases oxygen flow to the brain by dilating blood vessels. This does sound very helpful. But they tested it by reducing blood flow to some cats' brains. The cats without treatment showed brain damage within five minutes. The ones that were treated lasted 45 minutes before they died. Which brings up another bad point for drug usage: the horrible torture of innocent animals who wanted no part of this. I think they should do the tests on the stockholders and the doctors since they obviously already have brain damage. They want the money, then they take the risks. Again, I am talking about drugs for chronic disease conditions. Virtually all chronic diseases are easily treated by diet and supplements, which can manipulate the body quite effectively, and since they aren't "new" to the body, they don't have dramatic side effects. But the "cost benefit" analysis has obviously already been done and they have put an "acceptable" number on human death and suffering.

I've emailed the American Cancer Society, which is home of the biggest lie about cancer (that they are searching for a cure) and I never get an answer. Gee, imagine that! Nobody there wants to tell me how they are taking public money that we are giving them to search for a "cure" but they insist on only searching for a "patentable cure". Oh yeah, I forgot to add, in the articles where they say the only give grants for patentable cures, they also say they want a piece of the patent. How's that for a public soliciting charity that is showing us pictures of bald children and telling us that there's hope? Just a bunch of greedy bastards like in the drug industry.

How can you trust an industry that profits more when we are ill? And how was this monumental conflict of interest allowed to happen in the first place? I think the Rockefeller post is a big hint. Do your homework people, know when to get treatment from a medical doctor and when to get it from a doctor that has studied actual health care and not drug sales - one qualified in recommending proper diet and supplements. That doesn't mean every naturopath out there, only ones who have been to good schools. Anyone can make an educated guess, but you want doctors who are using lab tests to make their recommendations. They are just doing different tests than the regular medical doctors who are following their protocols and looking for drugs to give you. Some medical doctors refer to these other health care doctors as "quacks". But any medical doctor treating a chronic disease is the real quack. But how else are they going to afford their country clubs, nice cars and fancy homes? With repeat customers, of course. The real doctor is the one who doesn't have these repeat customers. They are few and far between, but they are out there. I found one.
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I'll admit there are some good drugs out there. But you have to know what kind of problem to let a medical doctor treat. I agree that if I was a 21 year old male, I would certainly consider any problem involving sex to be a crisis situation and I would do whatever I had to do to fix it, within reason.

Hydergine does sound interesting. But the site I just brought up to check out spoke about tests on cats. Apparently, it increases oxygen flow to the brain by dilating blood vessels. This does sound very helpful. But they tested it by reducing blood flow to some cats' brains. The cats without treatment showed brain damage within five minutes. The ones that were treated lasted 45 minutes before they died. Which brings up another bad point for drug usage: the horrible torture of innocent animals who wanted no part of this. I think they should do the tests on the stockholders and the doctors since they obviously already have brain damage. They want the money, then they take the risks. Again, I am talking about drugs for chronic disease conditions. Virtually all chronic diseases are easily treated by diet and supplements, which can manipulate the body quite effectively, and since they aren't "new" to the body, they don't have dramatic side effects. But the "cost benefit" analysis has obviously already been done and they have put an "acceptable" number on human death and suffering.

I've emailed the American Cancer Society, which is home of the biggest lie about cancer (that they are searching for a cure) and I never get an answer. Gee, imagine that! Nobody there wants to tell me how they are taking public money that we are giving them to search for a "cure" but they insist on only searching for a "patentable cure". Oh yeah, I forgot to add, in the articles where they say the only give grants for patentable cures, they also say they want a piece of the patent. How's that for a public soliciting charity that is showing us pictures of bald children and telling us that there's hope? Just a bunch of greedy bastards like in the drug industry.

How can you trust an industry that profits more when we are ill? And how was this monumental conflict of interest allowed to happen in the first place? I think the Rockefeller post is a big hint. Do your homework people, know when to get treatment from a medical doctor and when to get it from a doctor that has studied actual health care and not drug sales - one qualified in recommending proper diet and supplements. That doesn't mean every naturopath out there, only ones who have been to good schools. Anyone can make an educated guess, but you want doctors who are using lab tests to make their recommendations. They are just doing different tests than the regular medical doctors who are following their protocols and looking for drugs to give you. Some medical doctors refer to these other health care doctors as "quacks". But any medical doctor treating a chronic disease is the real quack. But how else are they going to afford their country clubs, nice cars and fancy homes? With repeat customers, of course. The real doctor is the one who doesn't have these repeat customers. They are few and far between, but they are out there. I found one.
 Quoting: Catseye 896024


I agree about the testing, Catseye !

Hydergine has proven almost 100% free from side effects.
I used to get it from friends in Amsterdam, and have taken large doses for extended periods on and of during a 10 year period, without any negative effects at all.

"How can you trust an industry that profits more when we are ill?"

This is THE point in all this, and the answer is; WE CAN`T !!


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Well, genius, let's see . . .

Yes, I've seen articles in pubmed about natural ways of doing things, but I've never heard a doctor talk about them. That's even worse, the knowledge is there but they won't use it because it isn't profitable enough.
 Quoting: Catseye 895544

No, no, no, you said there was no double blind study ever done with lysine therapy because it wasn't profitable enough. I'm sorry your doctor isn't informed enough to see through your bullshit, but I am. You can't hide behind the excuse that your "doctor didn't know." You're just plain full of crap.
You want to talk about cost benefit analysis? Like regarding harsh side effects? I'd like to see you go through the agony of some chemotherapy and see how you feel about "cost benefit" then.
 Quoting: Catseye

It's better than death. Don't bitch to me about the agony of it, I've watched family members suffer through it multiple times. Why the hell do you think we're looking for a non-toxic solution if we don't give a damn? Wait, don't answer that, I don't even want to know what you have to say. You've already shown me how dishonest you are.
How is my stating facts propoganda?
 Quoting: Catseye

Your "facts" are lies. Have a nice life.
What's so hard for you to understand when I say the medical profession is needed for crisis management but their chronic disease treatments are a scam? How is that bullcrap?
 Quoting: Catseye

I already explained it. I already gave you examples of chronic diseases cured by new methods, you ignored it because you're only interested in propaganda. You were lying about the lack of any double blind studies for your blessed "natural remedy" for herpes, and the double blind study showed no significant effect of lysine treatment. You're a liar and a sham.
So yes, maybe you are trying like hell to make the drug safe, but it's not the most effective treatment!
 Quoting: Catseye

Haha, bullshit, you have no idea what we're doing or how we're doing it, you're completely clueless about molecular biology, proteomics, genomics, and pharmacology. The drug we're developing for cancer IS safe by its nature. In fact, like many good drugs out there, it's derived from a natural biological product. We just took the part we needed and left of the parts that would be harmful in large doses.

Who cares how many hours you spend making a dangerous drug less dangerous? If I really wanted to know, I imagine I'd look it up.
 Quoting: Catseye

Wilfull ignorance is the worst kind. And when your option is "nasty side effect" or death, guess which I and the other 99% portion of the intelligent population will choose? Nasty side effect is right. Luckily, we're getting rid of even that and still you bitch. You do that, but you will have the deaths of the people who actually listen to your advice on your hands. I seem to recall one person who's mother listened to the anti-chemo advice on this site only to die as a result. Of course people like you claimed he was lying, but frankly the sad story doesn't surprise me at all.
And I have a friend who used to do these "tests", too. And what she told me is that they are given vials of substances and not told what they are. Plus they sign a myriad of nondisclosure agreements. So if a substance shows positive healing properties, they can't "leak" the identity of the substance. I guess that would put a sizable cut in some profits, depending on what drugs it could replace.
 Quoting: Catseye

Your friend is as clueless as you are. There are tons of publications espousing the benefits of certain natural chemicals like Resveratrol and other anti-oxidants. I've signed a non-disclosure agreement too, and for some experiments I'm not allowed to know which mouse received which drug, but none of it has to do with "covering up" the benefits of any natural substance.
Back to paragraph one. Who cares about genetic roots of disease if it's a food intolerance? Wheat and dairy are the most common, not just the lactose but the casein for dairy.
 Quoting: catseye

You handwave to the most ridiculous bullshit. Food intolerance did not cause blindness, and diet changes sure as hell didn't fix it. Adult stem cells taken from the patient did. But what am I saying, I might as well be talking to a brick f'ing wall. I'm done with you.
These are crisis situations, not chronic diseases!
 Quoting: catseye

A man who's blind for 40+ years isn't in a crisis situation genius, he's got a chronic problem. And diets sure weren't going to fix it.
You are looking for the MOST PROFITABLE best possible treatment or cure you can find.
 Quoting: catseye

BULLSHIT, DON'T TELL ME WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR, YOU HAVEN'T A CLUE! WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHATEVER WORKS BEST, NOT WHAT WORKS WORST SO WE CAN PROFIT OFF IT MORE!
Sorry about lysine, I didn't check pubmed. I guess that's another example of the knowledge being there but doctors not using it.
 Quoting: catseye

It's an example of you lying to my face. If ever you could be exposed, that was it right there. Have a nice life!
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