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i have invitation to a local lodge for their monthly dinner i almost went this past week but decided to put it off for one month to contemplate if joining up is the best course of action for me. There must be some true knowledge this org has? it cant all be lies and control / mob tactics? for fucks sake i just want to learn the secrets the ancients knew! im not trying to get caught up in drama like who needs to be killed for violating what part of which oath etc etc i dont really give a fuck i am interested in my personal development as a soul and since i have limited time in this life i want to spend it wisely!




The oaths are enforced, like the famous story of Captain William Morgan, which led to the first "Antimasonic Convention" political party.

The initiation with a rope around the neck with a hoodwink on, and a blade to the chest would take more trust than I have for them. It's intimidation, conditioning to the danger of angering them.

Don't sell your soul on the cheap. If they invite you, you know too much about something, (like me), 33 is invite only. Advancement is slow unless they have a use for you already.
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my fear of slow advancement is in part what kept me from going to the dinner. I can't help but think they would just perhaps let me into the fold and then stall my advancement if i don't exhibit the correct displays of willingness to do whatever those above me bid. i want all their knowledge (some must have this -- not all can be mere coercion) without all the bullshit.. and i know that once i take their oaths they *will* be binding so i would have to respect that, which i fear could in the long run be a limitation for me if their path is not the right one for me to walk. my dilemma is do i walk into a cave trying to open pandora's box without foreknowledge of what is inside?
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing
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suck my dick!
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing

suck my dick!
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sorry, just came out involuntarily!
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hey don't invite them to suck your dick too many phallus worshipers these days who want some of that osiris seed
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hey don't invite them to suck your dick too many phallus worshipers these days who want some of that osiris seed
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yep, right.
they are already lickers of their master scaly testicles.
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Forever bump
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Do not join the masons. If you do, you will become a target for the superstitious fantasies of the kind of people who post on this board.
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Regan was not a mason do you want a list of free mason pres?
and Washington was active in his lodge till the day he died you can see the proof at the Washington museum were you can see the lodge minuets sign be him up till his death. were do the secret society thoughts come in were is the secret almost all masons where masonic ring to let the world know they are a mason, not so secret? Hitler killed masons right along with the Jews genius there is a special badge for masons who survived the concentration camps. 6 of the 7 revolutions that gave the power to the people in the last 300 years were lead by free masons EVEN OURS? hmmm sound like something you would do if you wanted power and control? its funny how every one has read on the "Internet" all of there fact they quote I just seen on a web site that Elvis lives in Vegas must be true him the bat boy and the masons have a "secret house there were they do nothing but good but people start rumors. SO ME ONE fact that can be proven????
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Do not join the masons. If you do, you will become a target for the superstitious fantasies of the kind of people who post on this board.
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somote it be brother
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i have invitation to a local lodge for their monthly dinner i almost went this past week but decided to put it off for one month to contemplate if joining up is the best course of action for me. There must be some true knowledge this org has? it cant all be lies and control / mob tactics? for fucks sake i just want to learn the secrets the ancients knew! im not trying to get caught up in drama like who needs to be killed for violating what part of which oath etc etc i dont really give a fuck i am interested in my personal development as a soul and since i have limited time in this life i want to spend it wisely!




The oaths are enforced, like the famous story of Captain William Morgan, which led to the first "Antimasonic Convention" political party.

The initiation with a rope around the neck with a hoodwink on, and a blade to the chest would take more trust than I have for them. It's intimidation, conditioning to the danger of angering them.

Don't sell your soul on the cheap. If they invite you, you know too much about something, (like me), 33 is invite only. Advancement is slow unless they have a use for you already.
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my fear of slow advancement is in part what kept me from going to the dinner. I can't help but think they would just perhaps let me into the fold and then stall my advancement if i don't exhibit the correct displays of willingness to do whatever those above me bid. i want all their knowledge (some must have this -- not all can be mere coercion) without all the bullshit.. and i know that once i take their oaths they *will* be binding so i would have to respect that, which i fear could in the long run be a limitation for me if their path is not the right one for me to walk. my dilemma is do i walk into a cave trying to open pandora's box without foreknowledge of what is inside?
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I faced the same dilemma but i took the first step and was shown a world i never seen. you will become involved in your community and help other you will never be told to do any thing against your will. If you do you will look back and laugh at the nonsence you read here.
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yes again the corupt p2 lodge is real i do not argue it but it is not a regular and constituded lodge there for its a rogue group. Oh and thats were the skull and cross bones meet not the masons. common sence will tell you if the masons could alter world events and control nations they could take you out but you are here why? because they cant or they have nothing to fear because you are talking non sence




Your spelling is nonsense, illiterate! NSA has hacked my ebook offline that I paid to publish, soon as I posted the URL where to buy it. Suing would only gag me for a possible bribe. Ifit were nonsense, they wouldn't have to censor my ebook.

Any masonic run thread board has already banned me, including this, but webtv is a communal IP, so I can reply sometimes, but not post threads here since this one. Why ban someone, unless they don't want people to hear my facts.

I've collected death threats and have been impersonated and lies about my police record posted as if truth, and been banned all over the place.

I've survived a number of attempts on my life, over witnessing cover ups for a mafia boss and a PD chief run child prostitution ring, by supernatural means I reckon, guns misifre when aimed at me, so far.

I'm trained in combat martial arts, and no push over. I was a career dealer and grower and interstate smuggler, working with the mafia and Hells Angels and I even sold gov cocaine under an admitted NSA operative in 1980-1981.
So STFU motormouth who can't spell right.
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My spelling does suck but it dont change the fact that I'm right. I do not know about all the things that have happened to you but if you work for secret gov missions then go around telling every one i would think it was them tying up loose ends not the masons or you are just talking.??????
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i have invitation to a local lodge for their monthly dinner i almost went this past week but decided to put it off for one month to contemplate if joining up is the best course of action for me. There must be some true knowledge this org has? it cant all be lies and control / mob tactics? for fucks sake i just want to learn the secrets the ancients knew! im not trying to get caught up in drama like who needs to be killed for violating what part of which oath etc etc i dont really give a fuck i am interested in my personal development as a soul and since i have limited time in this life i want to spend it wisely!




The oaths are enforced, like the famous story of Captain William Morgan, which led to the first "Antimasonic Convention" political party.

The initiation with a rope around the neck with a hoodwink on, and a blade to the chest would take more trust than I have for them. It's intimidation, conditioning to the danger of angering them.

Don't sell your soul on the cheap. If they invite you, you know too much about something, (like me), 33 is invite only. Advancement is slow unless they have a use for you already.
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my fear of slow advancement is in part what kept me from going to the dinner. I can't help but think they would just perhaps let me into the fold and then stall my advancement if i don't exhibit the correct displays of willingness to do whatever those above me bid. i want all their knowledge (some must have this -- not all can be mere coercion) without all the bullshit.. and i know that once i take their oaths they *will* be binding so i would have to respect that, which i fear could in the long run be a limitation for me if their path is not the right one for me to walk. my dilemma is do i walk into a cave trying to open pandora's box without foreknowledge of what is inside?
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NO NO you can go from 1st to 3rd in a few months and 3rd to 32 in a weekend lol oh real slow. it has nothing to do with fear it is a symbol
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this reminds me of the xbox game "Max Payne" the first one. you start of killing just regular mafia scum and eventuall start getting to wierd satan worshipping zealots. Maybe they were telling us something. one of my fucking favorite games btw
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.
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Regan was not a mason do you want a list of free mason pres?
and Washington was active in his lodge till the day he died you can see the proof at the Washington museum were you can see the lodge minuets sign be him up till his death. were do the secret society thoughts come in were is the secret almost all masons where masonic ring to let the world know they are a mason, not so secret? Hitler killed masons right along with the Jews genius there is a special badge for masons who survived the concentration camps. 6 of the 7 revolutions that gave the power to the people in the last 300 years were lead by free masons EVEN OURS? hmmm sound like something you would do if you wanted power and control? its funny how every one has read on the "Internet" all of there fact they quote I just seen on a web site that Elvis lives in Vegas must be true him the bat boy and the masons have a "secret house there were they do nothing but good but people start rumors. SO ME ONE fact that can be proven????
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Reagan was a honorary 32nd degree freemason, and Bohemian Grover practicing Babylonian Baalist murder rituals with other secret societies.

Hitler was sworn to the illuminati secret societies Thule & Vril, and he had top nazis that were secret society jews; Eichmann & Borhmann & others. Hitler was aided by Rockefeller illuminati puppets Prescott Bush and JP Morgan, and the Rothschild bank of Berlin.

Google "Stalin + Lenin + Freemason", and remember that they exterminated 60 million CHRISTIANS, and 40 million others.

The illuminati also aided the chinese commie godless totalitarian revolution.

The UN flag is masonic with 33 divisions, and UN conference tables in the masonic "G" shape is no coincidence. Even moslem nations are run by masonic guilds.

Freemasons invented so called satanic rituals based on Baalism. Two former top freemasons were openly Luciferian; Manly P Hall & Pike.

Top Italian freemason Mazzini founded the Italian mafia & P2 Lodge; evidence of international criminal conspiracy of freemasons, protected by intel agencies in the name of national security. Google "Conspiracy of Silence" showing Las Vegas mafia child auctions to those with diplomatic immunity or national security immunity, for evidence of masonic corruption.

The constitution is what the protestant majority demanded, not what freemasonry wanted. The violations of rights of native americans was not the policy of the constitution, but the masonics.

[link to www.ralphepperson.com] got his info from 33rds, and his research says Washington avoided all masonic Lodges the last 20 years of life... so prove what you say or it's only hearsay propaganda here.
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.
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In 1776, illuminati jew Weishaupt heralded the illuminati takeover of freemasonry, and masonry changed then.

Freemasonry is provably treasonous now, as they ruin the US economy in favor of aiding China for the Novus Ordo Seclrum plot. Rockefeller is illuminati and SMOM Knight of Malta and B'nai B'rith, and he heads the Council of the Americas, pushing the treasonous agenda of dissolving the USA into a North American Union without borders or sovereignity, with combined currency with corrupt loser nations like Mexico.

It's an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION PLOT!

The major blows against the constitution have been from freemasons; such as Trumans' executive order invoking Admiralty law over constitutional law, and the 1947 National Security Act which cancells all rights at will of gov.

Dual citizen B'nai B'rith Chertoff coauthored the treasonous "Patriot Acts" which camcells all rights at the whim of gov, and he heads the unconstitutional DHS which he created to federalize local police at will.

ALL freemasons who approved that obvious treason should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn: Obama included.

Freemasons are sworn operatives of the NWO Novus Ordo Secular treason against the constitution.
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Search the videos here at GLP for two videos by Dr. Walter Veith

Secret behind Secret Societies

and

Hidden Agendas

You can also download them at

www.kingmannafta.com

They verify much of what the OP says, with the groups own documents. It gives you a much better understanding of why its all happening also.

Those two videos had all the information I gathered in 5 years of research, and then some. They are worth the time!
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Regan was not a mason do you want a list of free mason pres?
and Washington was active in his lodge till the day he died you can see the proof at the Washington museum were you can see the lodge minuets sign be him up till his death. were do the secret society thoughts come in were is the secret almost all masons where masonic ring to let the world know they are a mason, not so secret? Hitler killed masons right along with the Jews genius there is a special badge for masons who survived the concentration camps. 6 of the 7 revolutions that gave the power to the people in the last 300 years were lead by free masons EVEN OURS? hmmm sound like something you would do if you wanted power and control? its funny how every one has read on the "Internet" all of there fact they quote I just seen on a web site that Elvis lives in Vegas must be true him the bat boy and the masons have a "secret house there were they do nothing but good but people start rumors. SO ME ONE fact that can be proven????





Reagan was a honorary 32nd degree freemason, and Bohemian Grover practicing Babylonian Baalist murder rituals with other secret societies.

Hitler was sworn to the illuminati secret societies Thule & Vril, and he had top nazis that were secret society jews; Eichmann & Borhmann & others. Hitler was aided by Rockefeller illuminati puppets Prescott Bush and JP Morgan, and the Rothschild bank of Berlin.

Google "Stalin + Lenin + Freemason", and remember that they exterminated 60 million CHRISTIANS, and 40 million others.

The illuminati also aided the chinese commie godless totalitarian revolution.

The UN flag is masonic with 33 divisions, and UN conference tables in the masonic "G" shape is no coincidence. Even moslem nations are run by masonic guilds.

Freemasons invented so called satanic rituals based on Baalism. Two former top freemasons were openly Luciferian; Manly P Hall & Pike.

Top Italian freemason Mazzini founded the Italian mafia & P2 Lodge; evidence of international criminal conspiracy of freemasons, protected by intel agencies in the name of national security. Google "Conspiracy of Silence" showing Las Vegas mafia child auctions to those with diplomatic immunity or national security immunity, for evidence of masonic corruption.

The constitution is what the protestant majority demanded, not what freemasonry wanted. The violations of rights of native americans was not the policy of the constitution, but the masonics.

[link to www.ralphepperson.com] got his info from 33rds, and his research says Washington avoided all masonic Lodges the last 20 years of life... so prove what you say or it's only hearsay propaganda here.
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Hitler was not a mason, he killed them. You link Hitler to masons with the 6 degrees of separation. You could be linked to Hitler in this way. Because Hitler know a man who was in a group that had a mason in it proves nothing but eventually every one is linked.

Regan was not a Mason, where is your proof?

I have told you P2 lodge was kicked out of masonry, but still operated and claimed to be masons heres the story:As an introduction to the political intrigue involved with the P2 "lodge" in Italy, readers are reminded that - at one time or another - virtually all organizations suffer from internal power struggles which lead to embarrassing consequences. An example during the mid-1990s which some U.S. readers may recall was that of the United Way, America's largest charity, which was found to be riddled with mismanagement and corrupt practices forcing its head to resign under threat of severe legal action. 'How could it be?', everyone seemed to be asking, that an organization devoted to such high moral principles and knowing of their critical importance to so many needy could have such greedy and unscrupulous leadership? Regrettably, avarice and greed know no boundaries....

Within this context, we find a Masonic problem of similar stature having arisen in Italy, a country where political intrigue and instability is too often a way of life. A country where Socialists battle Communists set amidst a background of the Borgia family and Papal secrecy. How could something like this have happened to Masonry in Italy? How could something like this have happened at all???

May 26, 1981
The Italian government falls after revelations of infiltration by members of the illegal masonic lodge "P2".
Italy bans secret societies on July 24.

Licio Gelli was born in 1919 and when 17 years old, volunteered for the fascist expeditionary force sent by Mussolini to Spain. Thereafter, he became a liaison officer with the army of the Third Reich. When the winds changed, he joined the ranks of the US Central Intelligence Agency where he apparently mixed business and personal interests becoming rich in the process. In March, 1981 a police raid on his residence led to the discovery of numerous documents from which it was ascertained that he worked in league with Roberto Calvi, the President of Banco Ambrosiano of Milan already in prison accused of illicit export of capital. One of Gelli's protégés was Michele Sindona, a banker connected with Onorata Società, in other words, the Mafia, which however had not prevented him from managing the funds of the Vatican and embezzling several billion liras. Sindona was able to escape to the US where he was apprehended and sentenced to 25 years imprisonment for fraudulent bankruptcy. (An inspector who had been making inquiries about him was mysteriously killed.)

Gelli was Master of a Masonic Lodge by the name of Propaganda Due or P. 2. under the Grand Orient of Italy - a Grand Lodge in recognition with the UGLE and most other 'mainstream' Masonic grand lodges.

HOWEVER, here is where the story takes an interesting turn. The Lodge "Propaganda Due" was consecrated in 1895 but unfortunately, it suffered from the infiltration of both political and business elements (as some would argue is common throughout Italian organizations) to such a degree that

Masonic authorities felt obliged in 1976 to close the lodge (Decree No. 444 L.S. of June, 1976). Lucio Gelli who was its master was expelled from Freemasonry.

Gelli, however, kept the name of P. 2. alive and his office gathered lists of members who, of course at that time, were no longer regular Freemasons. Since Freemasonry had no legal existence in Italy there was no legal way of putting a stop to this usurpation of title or the evils it served to cover up.

Masons had nothing to do with the murder of millions in Russia, or any where else. However The Christians killed millions in WWII and through out their many holy wars, witch hunts, ext. Was that OK? No but we are forgiven for it. So why is it anything a mason or any one who knows a mason does it's blown out of proportion and never let down?
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.







In 1776, illuminati jew Weishaupt heralded the illuminati takeover of freemasonry, and masonry changed then.

Freemasonry is provably treasonous now, as they ruin the US economy in favor of aiding China for the Novus Ordo Seclrum plot. Rockefeller is illuminati and SMOM Knight of Malta and B'nai B'rith, and he heads the Council of the Americas, pushing the treasonous agenda of dissolving the USA into a North American Union without borders or sovereignity, with combined currency with corrupt loser nations like Mexico.

It's an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION PLOT!

The major blows against the constitution have been from freemasons; such as Trumans' executive order invoking Admiralty law over constitutional law, and the 1947 National Security Act which cancells all rights at will of gov.

Dual citizen B'nai B'rith Chertoff coauthored the treasonous "Patriot Acts" which camcells all rights at the whim of gov, and he heads the unconstitutional DHS which he created to federalize local police at will.

ALL freemasons who approved that obvious treason should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn: Obama included.

Freemasons are sworn operatives of the NWO Novus Ordo Secular treason against the constitution.
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We swear to no such lunacy. By the way for the last time FREEMASONS LEAD THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION DID THE BOSTON TEA PARTY, WROTE THE CONSTITUTION, THEY WERE NOT ALONE IN THEIR EFFORTS BUT THEY MADE UP A BIG CHUNK OF THE LEADERSHIP AND FINANCIAL BACKING OF THE REVOLUTION.
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.







In 1776, illuminati jew Weishaupt heralded the illuminati takeover of freemasonry, and masonry changed then.

Freemasonry is provably treasonous now, as they ruin the US economy in favor of aiding China for the Novus Ordo Seclrum plot. Rockefeller is illuminati and SMOM Knight of Malta and B'nai B'rith, and he heads the Council of the Americas, pushing the treasonous agenda of dissolving the USA into a North American Union without borders or sovereignity, with combined currency with corrupt loser nations like Mexico.

It's an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION PLOT!

The major blows against the constitution have been from freemasons; such as Trumans' executive order invoking Admiralty law over constitutional law, and the 1947 National Security Act which cancells all rights at will of gov.

Dual citizen B'nai B'rith Chertoff coauthored the treasonous "Patriot Acts" which camcells all rights at the whim of gov, and he heads the unconstitutional DHS which he created to federalize local police at will.

ALL freemasons who approved that obvious treason should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn: Obama included.

Freemasons are sworn operatives of the NWO Novus Ordo Secular treason against the constitution.
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P.S. Obama is not a mason
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.







In 1776, illuminati jew Weishaupt heralded the illuminati takeover of freemasonry, and masonry changed then.

Freemasonry is provably treasonous now, as they ruin the US economy in favor of aiding China for the Novus Ordo Seclrum plot. Rockefeller is illuminati and SMOM Knight of Malta and B'nai B'rith, and he heads the Council of the Americas, pushing the treasonous agenda of dissolving the USA into a North American Union without borders or sovereignity, with combined currency with corrupt loser nations like Mexico.

It's an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION PLOT!

The major blows against the constitution have been from freemasons; such as Trumans' executive order invoking Admiralty law over constitutional law, and the 1947 National Security Act which cancells all rights at will of gov.

Dual citizen B'nai B'rith Chertoff coauthored the treasonous "Patriot Acts" which camcells all rights at the whim of gov, and he heads the unconstitutional DHS which he created to federalize local police at will.

ALL freemasons who approved that obvious treason should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn: Obama included.

Freemasons are sworn operatives of the NWO Novus Ordo Secular treason against the constitution.


We swear to no such lunacy. By the way for the last time FREEMASONS LEAD THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION DID THE BOSTON TEA PARTY, WROTE THE CONSTITUTION, THEY WERE NOT ALONE IN THEIR EFFORTS BUT THEY MADE UP A BIG CHUNK OF THE LEADERSHIP AND FINANCIAL BACKING OF THE REVOLUTION.
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You swear to secrecy and mutual protection, and what rank are you anyhow? Tell us all words of all the oaths, then, as other masons are afraid of breaking their oaths to tell me. That's the only evidence that matters, is what the 33rd oaths is, really.

The constitution is the only thing the protestant majority would accept, and was violated by masonics from the start, with exterminating natives and taking their land. Not a constitution policy there, but masonic dominated gov.

The people never voted to allow NAFTA & CAFTA & WTO to outsource tens of millions of US jobs to the commies, while flooding the market with untarriffed chinese prisoner labor junk, undermining US biz and wages and benefits and labor unions.

The people never voted for the bailout of those who robbed the banks of manyBILLIONS by bonuses to themselves; it was Skull & Bones Bohemian Grove Bush, and Obama has also been to Bohemian Grove. Obama continues the Bush agenda of the wars & bailout and UNpatriot Acts and encouraging millions of illegals to degrade the USA further.

CNN reported that the inauguration of Obama was to be the first officially masonic inauguration ever, just before it, and their coverage showed Rockefeller (illuminati, Bohemian Grover, SMOM, B'nai B'rith) right behind Obama at the inauguration.

I know some dispute that Obama is prince Hall Lodge, but even if not, that doesn't mean that Obama is not with a comasonic lodge, or even the Ancient Arabian Order. CNN is my source that Obama is a masonic.
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Search the videos here at GLP for two videos by Dr. Walter Veith

Secret behind Secret Societies

and

Hidden Agendas

You can also download them at

www.kingmannafta.com

They verify much of what the OP says, with the groups own documents. It gives you a much better understanding of why its all happening also.

Those two videos had all the information I gathered in 5 years of research, and then some. They are worth the time!
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Thankyou. I'm not alone against these masonic shills. BTW I'm banned now, and cannot post threads, and most replies don't get through either. They banned me and the thread about "False Zionism Doctrines" . GLP must be jewish psy ops.

anyone willing to post threads here for me contact [email protected]
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Reagan was a honorary 32nd degree freemason, and Bohemian Grover practicing Babylonian Baalist murder rituals with other secret societies.

Hitler was sworn to the illuminati secret societies Thule & Vril, and he had top nazis that were secret society jews; Eichmann & Borhmann & others. Hitler was aided by Rockefeller illuminati puppets Prescott Bush and JP Morgan, and the Rothschild bank of Berlin.

Google "Stalin + Lenin + Freemason", and remember that they exterminated 60 million CHRISTIANS, and 40 million others.

The illuminati also aided the chinese commie godless totalitarian revolution.

The UN flag is masonic with 33 divisions, and UN conference tables in the masonic "G" shape is no coincidence. Even moslem nations are run by masonic guilds.

Freemasons invented so called satanic rituals based on Baalism. Two former top freemasons were openly Luciferian; Manly P Hall & Pike.

Top Italian freemason Mazzini founded the Italian mafia & P2 Lodge; evidence of international criminal conspiracy of freemasons, protected by intel agencies in the name of national security. Google "Conspiracy of Silence" showing Las Vegas mafia child auctions to those with diplomatic immunity or national security immunity, for evidence of masonic corruption.

The constitution is what the protestant majority demanded, not what freemasonry wanted. The violations of rights of native americans was not the policy of the constitution, but the masonics.

[link to www.ralphepperson.com] got his info from 33rds, and his research says Washington avoided all masonic Lodges the last 20 years of life... so prove what you say or it's only hearsay propaganda here.
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Hitler was not a mason, he killed them. You link Hitler to masons with the 6 degrees of separation. You could be linked to Hitler in this way. Because Hitler know a man who was in a group that had a mason in it proves nothing but eventually every one is linked.

Regan was not a Mason, where is your proof?

I have told you P2 lodge was kicked out of masonry, but still operated and claimed to be masons heres the story:As an introduction to the political intrigue involved with the P2 "lodge" in Italy, readers are reminded that - at one time or another - virtually all organizations suffer from internal power struggles which lead to embarrassing consequences. An example during the mid-1990s which some U.S. readers may recall was that of the United Way, America's largest charity, which was found to be riddled with mismanagement and corrupt practices forcing its head to resign under threat of
Masons had nothing to do with the murder of millions in Russia, or any where else. However The Christians killed millions in WWII and through out their many holy wars, witch hunts, ext. Was that OK? No but we are forgiven for it. So why is it anything a mason or any one who knows a mason does it's blown out of proportion and never let down?







The P2 Lodge may be expelled from official Grand Lodge of England freemasonry, but certainly not stopped from existing, and being connected as equals with offical freemasons. For example; Leo Zagami, illuminati born former member of the Masonic Executive Committee of Monte Carlo, and P2 Lodge member. [link to www.leozagami.com]

He also ties the vatican inquisitioners and mafia as part of the structure of international conspiracy of secret societies.

BTW: [link to www.Google.com] "Stalin + Lenin + freemason", and "Hitler + Thule + Vril", and "Reagan + honorary 32nd degree freemason". Whatever mind controlled idiot that posted that christians killed millions in WW2 fails to see that freemason Truman nuked the only 2 Christian cities in Japan, both on the 33rd degree parallel, as a sacrifice unto Baal/Moloch.

Hitler and Bush pretended to be Christian, but Bush is a Bohemian Grove Baalist human sacrificer, which is condemned in the Bible, so not a christian no matter what he claims.

So with Hitler, backed by the vatican with a delusion of a 1000 year reign. Top nazis were jews, including half jew Hitler himself; Eichmann & Borhmann are jewish names. Secret society jews were spared, such as Rothschilds of Frankfurt, but not Torah jews.

Hitler was an illuminati puppet. Illuminati aided Hitler and Stalin/Lenin, and the chinese commie revolution. Weishaupt heralded illuminati freemasonry in the 1700s. B'nai B'rith is comasonic, founded by Rothschilds illuminati.
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and there is no masonic oath or any other masonic thing were you have to kill any thing




According to a former website by victims of freemasonry in England, the 9th degree oath promises to kill on command for freemasonry. So, please post the words to the oath in full for us all to read... er; What's your degree again, know it all tyler who can't spell right?

I wouldn't even believe you're a 33rd°. And if not, you don't know what you're talking about, claims need verification.

Father Malachi Martin exposed the murder initiation rituals for the masonic order within the jesuit order (P2 Lodge), and it was his last radio interview before being pushed to his death.

Show us ALL words to all oaths to all degrees, know it all.
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I'm a 32nd degree and I will not post the words of the 9Th or any other degree. yes in one not regular lodge (P2) non regular means they are not a part of the F&AM or AF&AM where is the verification of any of your claim so and so said it on the inter net would you like my email and i would be more then happy to prove any of my claims. Besides word for word of the degrees. Me not be a 33rd degree has nothing to do with my masonic knowledge. the 33rd is a honorary degree of very active long term masons it has nothing to do with power or knowledge, and you can go from 3rd to 32 in a weekend so all this talk of the the higher the number the more power is ridiculous why do think you never see a 4Th degree mason? As long as I have been a mason all Ive done is help my community and fellow man. I have not been knocking people of in a dark alley. have you noticed almost all masons are old men do you really think they are sneaking through the shadows offing people. And for the last time George Washington a mason Benjamin Franklin a mason Paul raver a mason need i go on mason built this country with the freedoms we are not against it. People are scared of what they dint know so naturally since masons have secrets we are evil. It is no secret who we are look at there right hand do you see a mason ring? then they are probly a mason we dint hide it we meat in lodges with masonic signs out front and advertise or meeting in the paper. If we did not want you to know we would do none of this. I'm not being rude but why is it any time there is some thing some one else don't know it wrong. I I told you I had a secret in a box and would not show you it would be evil.







In 1776, illuminati jew Weishaupt heralded the illuminati takeover of freemasonry, and masonry changed then.

Freemasonry is provably treasonous now, as they ruin the US economy in favor of aiding China for the Novus Ordo Seclrum plot. Rockefeller is illuminati and SMOM Knight of Malta and B'nai B'rith, and he heads the Council of the Americas, pushing the treasonous agenda of dissolving the USA into a North American Union without borders or sovereignity, with combined currency with corrupt loser nations like Mexico.

It's an ENEMY OF THE CONSTITUTION PLOT!

The major blows against the constitution have been from freemasons; such as Trumans' executive order invoking Admiralty law over constitutional law, and the 1947 National Security Act which cancells all rights at will of gov.

Dual citizen B'nai B'rith Chertoff coauthored the treasonous "Patriot Acts" which camcells all rights at the whim of gov, and he heads the unconstitutional DHS which he created to federalize local police at will.

ALL freemasons who approved that obvious treason should be hanged for treason on the White House lawn: Obama included.

Freemasons are sworn operatives of the NWO Novus Ordo Secular treason against the constitution.


We swear to no such lunacy. By the way for the last time FREEMASONS LEAD THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION DID THE BOSTON TEA PARTY, WROTE THE CONSTITUTION, THEY WERE NOT ALONE IN THEIR EFFORTS BUT THEY MADE UP A BIG CHUNK OF THE LEADERSHIP AND FINANCIAL BACKING OF THE REVOLUTION.






You swear to secrecy and mutual protection, and what rank are you anyhow? Tell us all words of all the oaths, then, as other masons are afraid of breaking their oaths to tell me. That's the only evidence that matters, is what the 33rd oaths is, really.

The constitution is the only thing the protestant majority would accept, and was violated by masonics from the start, with exterminating natives and taking their land. Not a constitution policy there, but masonic dominated gov.

The people never voted to allow NAFTA & CAFTA & WTO to outsource tens of millions of US jobs to the commies, while flooding the market with untarriffed chinese prisoner labor junk, undermining US biz and wages and benefits and labor unions.

The people never voted for the bailout of those who robbed the banks of manyBILLIONS by bonuses to themselves; it was Skull & Bones Bohemian Grove Bush, and Obama has also been to Bohemian Grove. Obama continues the Bush agenda of the wars & bailout and UNpatriot Acts and encouraging millions of illegals to degrade the USA further.

CNN reported that the inauguration of Obama was to be the first officially masonic inauguration ever, just before it, and their coverage showed Rockefeller (illuminati, Bohemian Grover, SMOM, B'nai B'rith) right behind Obama at the inauguration.

I know some dispute that Obama is prince Hall Lodge, but even if not, that doesn't mean that Obama is not with a comasonic lodge, or even the Ancient Arabian Order. CNN is my source that Obama is a masonic.
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ok 1 thing at a time
1) there is no oath for the 33rd degree its a honorary degree like a honorary doctorate
2)I will not tell you any words of any oaths. It has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with doing the right thing.
3) You are wrong about the constitution over half who signed it were masons. The killing Indians and taking there land was not a masonic thing it was the view of the vast majority that they were savages. In fact it was a mason who stalled the constitution be wrote until it said all men are created equal. It was also a mason who started one of the first abolition groups, and was later hung for helping slaves escape. Most masons of the time were protestant.
4)You are right the people did not vote on any of that. However I have not meet any masons who support it, and it was not a mason senator who wrote the bill.
5) You are confused about the Obama being a mason thing. What happened was he spoke at Scottish rite hall, which his party rented. Like you would rent a vfw hall or lions club building for a wedding reception or birthday. He did not speak to the masons nor was he there while a lodge was in session. You can even call email or mail CNN and ask for verification on the issue. We can verify all membership through lodge minutes, lodge officiation. I have personally looked into this I have spoke to the grand lodge of free masons as well as prince hall and he is not on record any where.

If you have any other question I would be glad to answer them for you
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Search the videos here at GLP for two videos by Dr. Walter Veith

Secret behind Secret Societies

and

Hidden Agendas

You can also download them at

www.kingmannafta.com

They verify much of what the OP says, with the groups own documents. It gives you a much better understanding of why its all happening also.

Those two videos had all the information I gathered in 5 years of research, and then some. They are worth the time!





Thankyou. I'm not alone against these masonic shills. BTW I'm banned now, and cannot post threads, and most replies don't get through either. They banned me and the thread about "False Zionism Doctrines" . GLP must be jewish psy ops.

anyone willing to post threads here for me contact [email protected]
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I will post threads here or any where for you and I'm a mason. Because as a mason I feel you have the right to voice your opinion however misguided it may be.
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Search the videos here at GLP for two videos by Dr. Walter Veith

Secret behind Secret Societies

and

Hidden Agendas

You can also download them at

www.kingmannafta.com

They verify much of what the OP says, with the groups own documents. It gives you a much better understanding of why its all happening also.

Those two videos had all the information I gathered in 5 years of research, and then some. They are worth the time!





Thankyou. I'm not alone against these masonic shills. BTW I'm banned now, and cannot post threads, and most replies don't get through either. They banned me and the thread about "False Zionism Doctrines" . GLP must be jewish psy ops.

anyone willing to post threads here for me contact [email protected]
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It's not funny that mason supporters ignore the facts posted by OP, of masonic corruption and treasons. The NWO tyranny and slavery is a masonic plot; Novus Ordo Secular. Think the NAU is a good idea? It's treason.
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freemason Tyler said he'd post for me, but he never provided me his email address to send articles to. Wouldn't that be a violation of your oath of mutual protection of other masons?

If you're not afraid, why not post the words of the oaths you've taken? The 33rd° oath and initiation is the important one, which you know nothing about.

ADL is a branch of B'nai B'rith COMASONRY, founded by Rothschild illuminati, which is pushing laws against free speech & press & religion & info internationally, as an enemy of the constitution org.

The treasonous "Patriot Acts" coauthored by B'nai B'rith comasonic dual citizen Chertoff, cancells ALL rights on anyone anytime the gov desires.

Stop pretending that masons are guarding rights. Freemason Truman invoked, by executive order, Admiralty law over constitutional law, and masonics have let thaT TREASON STAND, signified by the gold fringe on flags.
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Calling Bullshit?

See...the little flag doesn't mean much without accompanying explanation, now does it?

All that the little flag tells me is that you don't like what you read. Could that be because you're part of it? Could that be because you have another theory? Could that be because it was too long for you to bother to read?

Without an argument the little flag makes you look stupid.
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clappa

I just don't understand how an elaborate post like the OP has created can be thrown onto the scrap heap so cavalierly with a BS flag by people who admit that they themselves are Masons.

Do you not see the irony of your inarticulate denials? They prove the case of the OP! If you really think OP is full of sh*t, a BS flag is not going to cut it, idiot. You had better give me a point by point refutation or else I am going to believe the accusations in the original post all the more for your bs flags.

As far as I'm concerned, masons are pedophile scum that started communism and fascism both, that engage in homosexual rituals on video tape so they can blackmail each other into conformity with their ridiculous goals. They can f*ck off, and that includes you, Mr. third generation mason who doesn't want to actually refute a damn thing but just call the whistleblower full of sh*t. You, you are full of sh*t, that is absolutely clear from your behavior in response to these accusations. Far better it would have been for you to have kept your shill mouth shut.
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tiler claims obama aint masonic. Prince Hall Lodge aint exactly officially part of grand lodge, but equal in stature.

evidences here:
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and check out [link to www.rense.com]

Watch yourself ignore masonic NWO treasons while they finish ruining the USA economy, then tiler.
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05/23/2010 01:25 PM
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Re: Masonic secret evil
Both CIA and NSA are branches of the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). The logo of the DIA is a globe with an upside down cross at the south pole, and at the north pole is a golden bowl with the proverbial forbidden apple in it, as reward for being opposite Christianity!

Think not? [link to www.DIA.mil] or [link to www.DIA.gov]

There's your masonic symbolism at the top being obviously antichristian. jade iconoclast
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You're right, they're wrong as hell!





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