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Show me where Mog and Magog are Russia

 
TheFireman
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I think so but want further documentaion.
"The Facade" by Michael S. Heiser . . . most people don't want the truth... they're looking for answers to confirm their prejudices.
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"The Facade" by Michael S. Heiser . . . most people don't want the truth... they're looking for answers to confirm their prejudices.
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It is Gog, and the armies of the East are China and the armies of the North (Russia).

Do you want the actual verses?

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No ... I know the verses, I just wanted proof that Gog and Magog are actually Russia. How do they know?
"The Facade" by Michael S. Heiser . . . most people don't want the truth... they're looking for answers to confirm their prejudices.
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Do a google search for Georgia (the country, not the state)...THEY say they are Gog (pronounced like a Southern-sounding "George"). They are a US ally, so this may throw some prophecy fans into a tizzy. At least consider the possibility before you dismiss it. IF Russia is not Gog, then there are a LOT of Christians bearing false witness against the wrong country.
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Why would anyone really give a shit. If it is destined to happen there isn't anything we can do about it. Watch the news once a day and when it happens you'll know. Until then enjoy each day as much as you can.
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No not Russia.
That battle is AFTER the 1000 year, when Satan is loosed again.
Russia and the kingdoms of earth today are destroyed at the Second Coming.
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No not Russia.
That battle is AFTER the 1000 year, when Satan is loosed again.
Russia and the kingdoms of earth today are destroyed at the Second Coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 893686


FINALLY, someone that knows the Bible. YOU are 100% right.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
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<< Who is Gog?

Gog literally means “great” or “lifted up.” It is spelled gimel-vav-gimel. The gimel is the third letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The letter gimel literally means a camel, but it also carries the symbolic meaning of being lifted up. This is because the camel normally kneels for a rider to mount, and then the camel rises to lift the rider. It can also carry the symbolic meaning of pride—being “lifted up” in one’s own eyes. When a camel walks, it holds its head high with its nose in the air. A camel appears to walk with pride.

Hence, the name, Gog, spelled with two gimels, literally means “doubly lifted up in pride.” The middle letter is the vav, which literally means a nail or peg. It also serves as the word “and,” because it is a conjunction. A conjunction joins (or nails) two things together. So literally, Gog could be literally rendered “pride and (more) pride.” >>
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So begins the famous Ezekiel chapter 38...

After the great flood, Noah and his three sons repopulated the entire earth. Of course their wives helped too! But seriously, we all descended from  Noah's three sons: Ham, Shem and Japheth. So in a sense, we are all related. In Genesis, chapter 10, the Bible list the 70 original tribal groups, this is often referred to by Biblical scholars, as The Table of Nations. To properly understand Ezekiel 38 and 39, we need to identify Gog, Magog and it's allies. The Bible, is always the best source to understanding and prophecy. So it's from this Table of Nations that we first begin to learn the identity of Gog and Magog.

Magog was one of the sons of Japheth.

"The sons of Japheth: Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras."

Genesis 10:2

Most experts identify Magog as being associated with the ancient peoples known as the Scythians. Ancient historian, Joseph Flavius, clearly identifies Magog: "Magog founded the Magogians, thus named after him, but who were by the Greeks called Scythians." Another reliable source comes from Herodotus, known as the "Father of History." Herodotus writes of the bizarre and savage practices of the descendents of Magog known as the Scythians. They drank the blood of the first enemy they killed; they carried the heads of the victims to their chiefs; they scalped their enemies and used the scalps as "napkins"; they used the skins of their victims to cover their quivers; they drank from the skulls of their victims; they practiced blood brotherhood by drinking each other's blood mixed with wine. The Scythians. "bathed" in the vapor from heated hemp seeds. When their king died, they sacrificed one of his concubines and several servants. After a year, they commemorated his death by sacrificing fifty servants and fifty horses. And you thought you lived in a bad neighborhood!

 



We know that the descendants of Magog by their Greek name, Scythians. In Greek mythology the Scythians descended from Scythes, the youngest of the three sons of Hercules, from sleeping with a half viper and half woman. The name Scythian covers a number of nomadic tribes from the Russian steppes, a fertile area of the Ukraine north of the Black Sea. Other related tribes occupied the area to the east of the Caspian Sea. The area encompassed by the Scythians extended from the mid-Volga to the northern Urals and beyond. They colonized Media, Parthia, Persia, Central Asia and as far as the Chinese border.  Arab writers confirm that in the Arabic language their name for the Great Wall of China is called "the wall of Al Magog" because the Great Wall was built to keep out the invading armies from Magog. All together an area of about 2,000 square miles. So clearly this was the former Soviet Union, modern day Russia. 



 

So, who then is Gog.? Gog is obviously the leader of Magog,  he is the "Prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal." So Gog will be the leader of this Russian led military horde. The Bible doesn't exactly tell us  who Gog is. Chuck Missler, Bible teacher and a international authority on Russia and the Middle East, sheds new light on the identity of Gog. In his book, 'The Magog Invasion' he discovered a provocative reference to Gog in the book of Amos that has been widely overlooked. The traditional rendering of Amos 7:1 reads as follows:

"Thus hath the Lord God shewed unto me; and, behold, he informed grasshoppers in the beginning of the shooting up of the latter growth; and, lo, it was the latter growth after the king's mowings." Amos 7:1 (KJV)

Our English Bible takes its translation from the Masoretic text, a 9th century source. However, an earlier translation of the Old Testament into Greek, known as the Septuagint, embodies a different rending of Amos 7:1:

"Thus the Lord showed me, and behold a swarm of locusts were coming, and behold, one of the young devastating locusts was Gog, the King." Amos 7:1 (LXX)


The identification of Gog as the king of the locusts would have profound implications. Proverbs 30:27 reveals that "the locusts have no king," implying that the "locusts" of Amos 7 are not intended to be natural locusts, but an idiom for something else. We encounter a similar passage in Revelation chapter 9 where locusts there are described as having a king, and are clearly demonic in nature.


[link to www.prophecyupdate.com]
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<< Who is Gog?

Gog literally means “great” or “lifted up.” It is spelled gimel-vav-gimel. The gimel is the third letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The letter gimel literally means a camel, but it also carries the symbolic meaning of being lifted up. This is because the camel normally kneels for a rider to mount, and then the camel rises to lift the rider. It can also carry the symbolic meaning of pride—being “lifted up” in one’s own eyes. When a camel walks, it holds its head high with its nose in the air. A camel appears to walk with pride.

Hence, the name, Gog, spelled with two gimels, literally means “doubly lifted up in pride.” The middle letter is the vav, which literally means a nail or peg. It also serves as the word “and,” because it is a conjunction. A conjunction joins (or nails) two things together. So literally, Gog could be literally rendered “pride and (more) pride.” >>
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"Gimel" is the letter g in Hebrew
"Gamal" means camel , not "gimel"
check ur sources
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No not Russia.
That battle is AFTER the 1000 year, when Satan is loosed again.
Russia and the kingdoms of earth today are destroyed at the Second Coming.


FINALLY, someone that knows the Bible. YOU are 100% right.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 895579


If all the bad kingdoms are destroyed at the second coming, who's left that's bad to fight with?
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Gog is India.
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Magog is the Hebrew word for "Land of Gog" same as Gogland which is an island in Leningradsky Oblasti near St. Petersburg (formerly known as Leningrad). Moscow is exactly in the uttermost of Jerusalem. Gogland is also north of Israel. Coordinates are:
Tubal refers to Tobol river and the city of Tobolsk (both in Kazakhstan). Do not be confuse with Tobolsk, Russia near Tyumen, Russia just as Moscow, Idaho, USA is not the same as Moscow, Russia.

Put is Libya. Kush (Cush) is Sudan (in the antique times the region was called Ethiopia but it is not the same region as today's Ehtiopia). Gomer is not Germany as many think. Gomer is Gomel' in Belarus. Sheba are the following: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc. Dedan is Yemen. Tarsis are the marine merchants in the Persian gulf (foreigners that come by sea). Persia is Iran. Meshech is parts of Turkey & parts of Georgia. Togarmah means "sons of Gomer" and refers to today's Armenia.
Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus forms the Customs Union.
Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia forms the CSTO as well as Eurasia, among some others.
Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Iran, Libya, Sudan are not part of the WTO. The WTO wants every country included to maximize growth and monopoly.

Gog is a young Archangel, Chief Prince of Satan, that will lead other angels locusts in the Principality of Russia by putting hooks into the jaws of the locust Gog. It is not known if Gog will take human form or simply act in his natural invisible form.

The New Roman Empire is not the EU but USA. The 10 horns is not EU nor WEU but 10 Region Blocs: EU, APEC, ASEAN+3, AU, CAFTA, Gulf Council, SAARC, UNASUR, CSTO EURASIA & NAU
2nd Beast, False Prophet = Last Pope in history nurtured by the Club of Rome
1st Beast, Antichrist, Chairman, Emperor, American Danite Prince of European descendancy nurtured by the Committee of 300 who are above CFR, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group.

If you have questions write: www.YouTube.com/endtimetuber
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there are a LOT of Christians bearing false witness
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That's correct.
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<< Who is Gog?

Gog literally means “great” or “lifted up.” It is spelled gimel-vav-gimel. The gimel is the third letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The letter gimel literally means a camel, but it also carries the symbolic meaning of being lifted up. This is because the camel normally kneels for a rider to mount, and then the camel rises to lift the rider. It can also carry the symbolic meaning of pride—being “lifted up” in one’s own eyes. When a camel walks, it holds its head high with its nose in the air. A camel appears to walk with pride.

Hence, the name, Gog, spelled with two gimels, literally means “doubly lifted up in pride.” The middle letter is the vav, which literally means a nail or peg. It also serves as the word “and,” because it is a conjunction. A conjunction joins (or nails) two things together. So literally, Gog could be literally rendered “pride and (more) pride.” >>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 891947


"Gimel" is the letter g in Hebrew
"Gamal" means camel , not "gimel"
check ur sources
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838820


<< Who is Gog?

Gog literally means “great” or “lifted up.” It is spelled gimel-vav-gimel. The gimel is the third letter of the Hebrew alphabet. The letter gimel literally means a camel, but it also carries the symbolic meaning of being lifted up. This is because the camel normally kneels for a rider to mount, and then the camel rises to lift the rider. It can also carry the symbolic meaning of pride—being “lifted up” in one’s own eyes. When a camel walks, it holds its head high with its nose in the air. A camel appears to walk with pride.

Hence, the name, Gog, spelled with two gimels, literally means “doubly lifted up in pride.” The middle letter is the vav, which literally means a nail or peg. It also serves as the word “and,” because it is a conjunction. A conjunction joins (or nails) two things together. So literally, Gog could be literally rendered “pride and (more) pride.” >>
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 891947


"Gimel" is the letter g in Hebrew
"Gamal" means camel , not "gimel"
check ur sources
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 838820


No, he is right. Ask anyone who knows Hebrew. Gimel means camel, along with other things. Hebrew is not a language to be understood like the Gentile languages. It is a very dynamic language where you actually are missing a lot of contextual meaning by simply looking up technical definitions in a dictionary the way you would with a gentile language. The best way I can put it is that it is a truly living language that befuddles even the greatest of gentile intellectuals. It is not to be approached like a gentile language, but rather learned and understood deeply.

I have not heard a better definition for Gog in all the Internet. Gog was indeed a very proud man, along with his wicked posterity. The greatest among them were the Saxons, who gave us English.
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Who can say for certain OP.

Lots of speculation.

I have read that in some ancient documents, the Great Wall of China was called "the Ramparts of Gog and Magog" having to do with the 'Scythians'<sp>. But I did not do alot of research and I do not recall the literary reference though. Sorry.

Perhaps it will lead you to some information for further study.

peace,
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I think so but want further documentaion.
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why does it matter, the bible has been completely corrupted. Look at your world, why are you ones doing NOTHING about its condition? I see no stewards of this planet in your groups.

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