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Hpw to succesfully secede from the USA.

 
Miggy
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Hpw to succesfully secede from the USA.
It CAN be done and HAS been done before- in 1982.

Here's the story:

I used to live in Key West, Florida- the last in a series of small islands in the Gulf/Atlantic. It is located 90 miles from Cuba- closer in destination than Miami.

There are more bars, per Capita, in Key West than in any other US City. I used to own an upscale piano bar there.
Tourism is the main source of revenue. It also operates a major Coast Guard facility.

The Florida Keys are often also referred to as the Conch Republic, formed in protest of their treatment by the US Government when the Feds stepped in and decided to put roadblocks up between the Keys and the Mainland one busy Easter weekend. People were required to show passports when entering or exiting to prove their American citizenship.

Many tourists who were going to spend a long weekend in Key West were not prepared to show a passport and turned to return home.

That weekend cost small businesses throughout the Keys to suffer a severe blow to the economy and in general, pissed them all off.

The Mayor was so angry that he said, "If they're going to treat us as a foreign country we will secede and form our own Republic"

He then seceded, declared war on the USA and a minute later surrendered in order to receive federal aide.

The "Conch Republic" still issues passports to this day which are legitimate and accepted as official US passports throughout the world.

I actually brought my Conch Republic passport (along with my US Passport- just in case) when traveling to England, and other countries and never once did I have to use my Federal passport. My Conch Republic passport was accepted and stamped at each destination.

Miggy

I'll post this under it's own title as well, in hopes that states seriously consider seceding. If we had 50 individual states there would be absolutely no more federal government to mess around with us. O and company could no longer control us- much less classify us as Domestic Terrorists because we would no longer be consider "Domestic".

More of the story from the Conch Republic site:


The Conch Republic ~ We Seceded Where Others Failed
A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CONCH REPUBLIC

The Conch Republic was established by secession of the Florida Keys from the United States of America, on April 23rd, 1982 in response to a United States Border Patrol Blockade setup on highway U.S.1 at Florida City just to the north of the Florida Keys. This heinous act effectively isolated Keys Citizens from the U.S. mainland since the blockade was on our only land artery to and from the mainland. This roadblock portrayed Keys residents as non-U.S. citizens who had to prove their citizenship in order to drive onto the Florida mainland! Hardly an American thing to do!

We protested! A totally American thing to do! Key West Mayor Dennis Wardlow along with a few other 'key' Conchs, went to Federal court in Miami to seek an injunction to stop the federal blockade, but to no avail. Upon leaving the Federal Court House , on the court house steps , Mayor Wardlow announced to the world, by way of the assembled TV crews and reporters, that ; "Tomorrow at noon the Florida Keys will secede from the Union!"

At noon, on the day of secession, at Mallory Square in Key West Florida, Mayor Wardlow read the proclamation of secession and proclaimed aloud that the Conch Republic was an independent nation separate from the U.S. and then symbolically began the Conch Republic's Civil Rebellion by breaking a loaf of stale Cuban bread over the head of a man dressed in a U.S. Navy uniform. After one minute of rebellion, the now, Prime Minister Wardlow turned to the Admiral in charge of the Navy Base at Key West, and surrendered to the Union Forces, and demanded 1 Billion dollars in foreign aid and War Relief to rebuild our nation after the long Federal siege!

Thus began our Conch Republic journey which still continues today! We are both Conchs and we are Americans and we are proud to be both. By act of Congress we hold dual citizenship as Conchs and as Americans and will fight for the right to be both!

Contrary to recent reports, the name "Conch Republic" refers to "all"of the Florida Keys, or, that geographic apportionment of land that falls within the legally defined boundaries of Monroe County Florida, northward to "Skeeter's Last Chance Saloon" in Florida City , Dade County Florida, with Key West as the Nation's Capitol and all territories north of Key West being referred to as "The Northern Territories". Be it known that these boundaries were established by the U.S. Government when they set up "THE" Border Patrol blockade in front of "Skeeter's Last Chance Saloon", in April of 1982, thereby establishing a new United States border!

To enforce the validity of our secession, the Monroe County Commission, in 1994, by unanimous vote, did pass a County Resolution recognizing Mayor Wardlow's actions, on the 23rd of April in 1982, as by, of and for the people of the Florida Keys. Read the full story!

We celebrate our Independence every year with a week long celebration. Click Here for the current schedule of events.

In the quest for recognition, the Honorable Peter Anderson, Secretary General of the Conch Republic has created "Official Conch Republic Passports" . The Secretary General has extensively traveled our surrounding Caribbean Nations with nothing more than his Diplomatic Passport and has been well received by many as a Diplomat and as a Government Official of the Conch Republic and even had his passport endorsed by nearly all! Officially, our passports, Diplomats and Citizens, have been well received by 13 Caribbean Nations as well as Germany, Sweden, Havana, Mexico, France, Spain, Ireland, and Russia.
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Miggy (OP)

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bump

For afternoon crowd.

Seriously people, each state needs to secede and become independent of the Federal Government.

By doing that, no more IRS, no more Washington DC...

I could go on and on.
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Apparently, California adopted such a resolution over 10 years ago; Hawaii declared that a loophole in their original "contract" takes them out of the Union; and one of the Northern states has made strong verbal statements to secede.

What's happening here? They can't leave until the public debt is paid.

Few people are aware of the existence and importance of Article 6 of the constitution: "All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation." In Black's Law 6th Edition Dictionary, "Constitutor" is defined as one who becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. Is Article 6 not stating that the United States is assuming responsibility for the debt of the Confederacy?

The War of 1812, the Civil War, and the stock market crash of 1929 were all related to the bankruptcy of America, for which the original Constitution assumed responsibility but did not pay. The only possibility of the debt being paid might be at 1999, after 70 years of American slavery which commenced at the stock market crash, followed by FDR's seizure of the gold in 1933. This might explain the missing gold in Fort Knox.

The Civil War was about Southern states seceding without first paying the debt. President Lincoln was faced with the potential loss of cotton revenue, and the possibility of losing free-hold land in the South.

Any theory of American history and politics which does not respect the American bankruptcy is without foundation. This includes all federal campaigns, some state campaigns, national news broadcasts, and university political science theory.

The misunderstanding is manifested as Republican-Democrat, conservative-liberal and right-left competitions. Hollywood gives us fair notice. "The Matrix" illustrates a public entity that is harvesting labor energy from "coppertop" batteries to pay the public government. After taking the correct pill, to learn the truth, there's no turning back.

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if i want to travel to conch, do i need to procure a visa on my conch republic passport before traveling there?
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bump

For afternoon crowd.

Seriously people, each state needs to secede and become independent of the Federal Government.

By doing that, no more IRS, no more Washington DC...

I could go on and on.
 Quoting: Miggy

Why don't you just move? Move to another country.
Also, do you like roads? Cops, Safe food?
If any state were to secede from the USA, the federal government would look at them as a national security issue.
You would be cut off from the entire world. Or do you think you will create an economy and buy from China, N Korea, Iran, Hammas? Because USA and the rest of the developed world won't trade with you.
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Do you have pictures of the stamps? I'd love to see them
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Could you send me some snapshots? mgrant1018@yahoo.com
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Last Edited by mgrant1018 on 09/23/2010 04:13 PM
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From: Daniel Hutchins (quoted above)

If you accept benefit-priveleges of US citizenship, then you are a US citizen.

If you are new to this subject, then you are probably contracting with the US.

0) Do you have a mailbox? Yes? Uh-oh. Everytime you accept mail from the mail box, if it has a zip code, if the state is given as a two-character representation, if it has an address, and if you accepted the benefit privelege of allowing the mail to be delivered to your mailbox, then you are a US citizen.

1) Absolutely absolutely absolutely if you do not want to be in the union, stop voting in it. Voting is 100% voluntary and intentional. If you vote, you are a citizen of the USA.

2) Military service is 100% voluntary and intentional. If you are serving, then you are a citizen of the USA.

1b) Are you a registered voter? Yes? OK. If you want to get out of the union, you have to rescind every single voter signature, where you signed, yes, you are a "US Person" or that, yes, you are a 14th amendment citizen.

3) Do you have a driver's license? Uh-oh. If you signed the driver license application without taking any exception by accommodation, then you are a US citizen.

This is a huge problem. They violate the Magna Carta everytime they molest a traveller for not "carrying his papers." I suggest prudence. sign the driver's license by accommodation to make clear that you are not the US Person that is contracted.

4) Do you have a bank account? If yes, you probably signed that YES, you are a US person. Therefore, everything you put into the account is owned by the government, not you.


5) Realize that USA is a registered trademark of the UNITED STATES corporation.

6) There is a republic which is spelled with "united" as an adjective which modifies "States," the same as on the Declaration of Independence:

Republic for the united States of America

This is de jure, on the land.


Thanks for quoting my letter to the editor.
Also, thanks for giving me credit.

Are you from Lodi where this was published?

Last Edited by danielHut on 09/27/2010 10:52 PM
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From: Daniel Hutchins (quoted above)

Someone wrote:
Why don't you just move? Move to another country.
You are already in another country. USA is the District of Columbia. the so-called "states" are occupied territory wanting for a government.

Also, do you like roads? Cops, Safe food?
The cops break more laws than they enforce.
You like safe food, but is it safe to go to work in the WTC, or is it safe to breath air?

If any state were to secede from the USA, the federal government would look at them as a national security issue. Interesting, but I'm not sure about this. They have an oath to uphold the constitution of the united States of America. If such a movement only sought to peacefully occupy the prior-existing states, they just might defend such a movement.

You would be cut off from the entire world. completely wrong. The entire world does not like the United States. If someone sought to establish a new republic and offered favorable relationships, the foreign nations, might recognize such a movement.

Or do you think you will create an economy and buy from China, N Korea, Iran, Hammas? Because USA and the rest of the developed world won't trade with you. part of this is wrong. They WILL trade with us.

Last Edited by danielHut on 09/27/2010 10:52 PM
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From: Daniel Hutchins (quoted above)

Instead of saying "secede" perhaps you mean that you will simply reinhabit the prior-existing republic forms of government which existed previously but were abandoned?
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sounds like this could be done town and city by town and city

maybe it is the mayors who need convinced -- the governors are sellouts. i did not used to think so, but after this Gulf mess, and the state governments not filing injunctions against the use of the Corexit . . . i don't trust the state governments, either.
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the Conch Republic is not, and never was, a real secessionist movement
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Do you have pictures of the stamps? I'd love to see them
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[link to www.conchrepublic.com]
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i heard Conch was like a very gay mexico
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deport Miggy!
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What about the rumor that the Conch Republic is trying to obtain nuclear technology ?
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surprised to look at greed of americans.they have conquered every little island surrounding their huge country.
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surprised to look at greed of americans.they have conquered every little island surrounding their huge country.
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How many in India live on a dollar a day...or less?
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Interesting idea but my state is landlocked :-(
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surprised to look at greed of americans.they have conquered every little island surrounding their huge country.


How many in India live on a dollar a day...or less?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1117999

so how many priests,teachers abused you,dear american friend.did your mother had affairs when she was pregnant?in fact do you even know who your father is?
if indians are poor,americans are morally poor.

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