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Tried everything rational ... I need some "Magick", Please Help

 
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Well you sound like a nice enough guy, SA, but unfortunately you've gotten the shit end of the stick.


It sounds like your wife has made a choice.


Bad things happen to good people.


If your wife is so mentally unhinged that she can't think for herself, then in my real personal opinion, she shouldn't have a child in her care. You can play that mental aspect in the future.


Don't let emotion and fairy tale dreams distract you from hard reality...


There are few people who can really hold true to the sanctity of marriage, or even to themselves, much less another person.
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And as far as Magick...

This is a perfect example of something you DON'T use magick for.

It's not to be toyed with, especially if you don't fully understand it.
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Yes OP, try magick. By all means. Cause we all know how much Pagan witches revere good, strong families.
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"Pagan witches" are really no different than any other ordinary person you see everyday.
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I would go the legal system. Screw the wife, and if she is an unfit mother, get your daughter back.

Magik is not a good idea.
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I don't want to highjack this thread, but since you claim that you practice magick, I can't help myself.

I don't practice anything except a strong faith in God; I have prayed and prayed.

Mark 11:22-24

22 So Jesus answered and said to them, “Have faith in God. 23 For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says. 24 Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.


if you don't want to answer I'll understand.

Do you go by Crowley?
What do you use magick for?

Did you come across the teachings of Gurdieff?

It is said that he is a practicioner of illumination magic as opose to the Crowley occult magick. And supposedly Rasputin and Crowley were both very scared of him.
It is also said that in Germany before the Nazis the elite had mystic lodges of the teachings of Gurdjieff which were then overrun by the Crowley occult Nazi lodges.

Thanks


I don't know anything of these people or writings ... I am just trying to learn and keep an open mind.

I have been praying for a year .... I am not so much a supporter of magick as I am willing to fight fire with fire.

I believe my wife's free will and love for me is being suppressed by her parents. I believe they are trying to control her because they don't believe she is capable of good choices. Nothing they have led her to do or act out is of anything taught in any biblical text.


I am willing to go to the depths of darkness and hell itself to fight for my wife and daughter. I would gladly lay my life down to save theirs.

That being said; I think she has a right to free will and to choose love and our family without persecution or fear from another. Her family has threatened to disown her if she does not conform to their will.
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Jesus-friendly Magick...? Call the pedophile priest instead.
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I have sent her prayers, many, many, times .... even wrote poems;

Tender Kiss


There's so many things about you that I truly miss
But most of all I miss your sweet tender Kiss

Your long beautiful golden and sweet smelling hair
is so attractive and sexy, yet doesn't compare

Those sensuous green colors sparkling in your eye
come close to second but not quite a tie

There is a joyful smile always found on your face
But I'm not so sure that it would take first place

With skin so soft and warm to the touch
It makes me miss you and miss you too much

Some of the best qualities aren't found on the outside
Like your joyous spirit because that's on the inside

There is so much about you in the end I know I'd miss...
But most of all.... I would miss your sweet tender Kiss


I'm all about free will and personal freedom. I know if her parents weren't putting weird crap in her head and threatening her if she wanted to come back, she would ... She loves me as much as I love her ... In the end, the choice really is hers .... she tells me she is scared her parents will disown her ... it's really sad ...

And songs too;


Love is a Garden


Love is a Garden
where two hearts grow
A place filled with Joy
only those hearts can know

Where butterflies Dance
throughout each day
And Pain and Sorrow
will not grow or stay

And When the rain comes
It brings only peace and warmth
Yielding more love, more strength
For these two hearts that are joined

A Light always shines down
on this garden of love
A garden watched over in Heaven
by almighty God up above

Love is a garden
Where two hearts Know
They'll never be alone
No matter where each must go

:

I am so lost without my daughter and mate ...
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Jesus-friendly Magick...? Call the pedophile priest instead.
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Love is Jesus inspired magic .... something evil has a hold on her, something not of the bible....or of God ...

I want to fight whatever this evil power is ... Bible says prayer and strong faith is enough .... "all things are possible with God" ....

Can there be Magick in Prayers?
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I must agree with this statement "Because once you start practicing the occult, your body starts resonating in vibrations that attract bad energies." as I am a practitioner of magick and I do not advise anyone to open this door. However, if you do then you MUST be clear that the entity that comes through is only to do one thing and then return through the door. I warned you...


If you want Satan in your life repeat the last phrase 3 times.

May Satan the all-powerful Prince of Darkness
And Lord of Earth Grant me my desires.
Let there be ecstasy and darkness;
let there be chaos and laughter,
Let there be sacrifice and strife:
but above all let us enjoy The gifts of life.
Zazas Zazas Nasatanata Zazas.

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As far as I understand, it is unwise to use magic or magick to control other people. Even influencing results in opening a door to darkness...

If your heart is pure and you want the best for the girl, you'll find a way.

But if you do go down that road ( all information on spells, magick, magic, witchcraft is on the internet, if you know how and where to search), you should prepare yourself first.

Because once you start practicing the occult, your body starts resonating in vibrations that attract bad energies.

And if you are not prepared and aware of their attacks, you'll soon find yourself as their puppet.



I don't want to highjack this thread, but since you claim that you practice magick, I can't help myself.

if you don't want to answer I'll understand.

Do you go by Crowley?
What do you use magick for?

Did you come across the teachings of Gurdieff?

It is said that he is a practicioner of illumination magic as opose to the Crowley occult magick. And supposedly Rasputin and Crowley were both very scared of him.
It is also said that in Germany before the Nazis the elite had mystic lodges of the teachings of Gurdjieff which were then overrun by the Crowley occult Nazi lodges.



Thanks
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wait a second, please either clarify or re-think/re-phrase what you exactlty meant by Gurdieff being a practicioner of illuminati? ... i did come across the teachings of Gurdieff, rather seriously ...my teacher, mr. hana was a student Ouspensky ... i studied with him for 7 years, however prior to these years, i read all i could read of Gurdieff, Ouspensky and Orage ... but, please, ... you tell me your take, seriously i am open and willing to read/listen to ... i wish there was a way to communicate privately with you ...
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wait a second, please either clarify or re-think/re-phrase what you exactlty meant by Gurdieff being a practicioner of illuminati? ... i did come across the teachings of Gurdieff, rather seriously ...my teacher, mr. hana was a student Ouspensky ... i studied with him for 7 years, however prior to these years, i read all i could read of Gurdieff, Ouspensky and Orage ... but, please, ... you tell me your take, seriously i am open and willing to read/listen to ... i wish there was a way to communicate privately with you ...
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So then do you have any thoughts of how to provide a magical means that would provide for my wife's return with my child ... by allowing her to face her real feelings and giving her the courage to stand up to her parents will...

If she wants to come home of her own free will and because of her true feelings for me and our family.... I am just trying to provide her a path or a means to do so .... A magickal means to combat the negative/ unnatural energy and contempt around her that has destroyed her will and ability to see a wonderful future as a family...
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Your new mantra:

Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.


When devising a new tactic, stop and say the mantra. When infuriated about the situation, stop and say the mantra. When sadness sets in, stop and say the mantra. When your mind succumbs to thoughts about what is going on, stop and say the mantra.
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Whoa! that's a hard, tough number OP, especially with kids involved.

Been through similar myself.

Sorry I don't have many answers or much more to offer, however; I tend to agree with what MO said to you.

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Yes I did ... but I also believe that marriage is a covenant with God as well as each other ...
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You say this out of one side of your mouth, then ask for witchcraft out the other.\\\

Fail
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I have tried every rational approach to get my bi-polar wife to come home with my 18 month old Daughter. She went to her parents and won't come back. Her parents are holding them hostage and destroying our relationship.Threatening to kick her out forever and never have anything to do with her for the rest of her life (which is bullshit). She left while having a manic episode ...

I will try anything .... magick spells, old world knowledge .... Not trying to "make her" come home ... just want her to get away from her parents so she can have her own free will and opinion about our relations. Just want my daughter home .... safe with her Daddy.

There must be someone that knows a way with some mystic ability or guidance ... 1dunno1
 Quoting: Sixty Acres


OK -here but you gotta mean it:

Sit down.

Take a deep breath to count of seven.
Hold to count of seven.
Exhale to count of seven as you say "HA".

Do this cycle for seven times.

Then think about the Divinity in you, whomever you believe to be your higher power: Say, like you mean it. If you really mean it, you may tears rolling down your cheek.

I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you.

Say the above phrases, as often as you remember.

Now this does not mean you are taking the blame for the situation. You are saying to your Higher Power whatever is going on inside of me that has manifested as this situation, please forgive me for it and transmute it to pure good energy. For all is inside us.

If you find this helpful and wish to know more, I can put more links. But if something else helps you more, I wish you peace on your journey,beyond all understanding.



peace
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OK -here but you gotta mean it:

Sit down.

Take a deep breath to count of seven.
Hold to count of seven.
Exhale to count of seven as you say "HA".

Do this cycle for seven times.

Then think about the Divinity in you, whomever you believe to be your higher power: Say, like you mean it. If you really mean it, you may tears rolling down your cheek.

I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you.

Say the above phrases, as often as you remember.

Now this does not mean you are taking the blame for the situation. You are saying to your Higher Power whatever is going on inside of me that has manifested as this situation, please forgive me for it and transmute it to pure good energy. For all is inside us.

If you find this helpful and wish to know more, I can put more links. But if something else helps you more, I wish you peace on your journey,beyond all understanding.
peace
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I like this approach, doesn't seem to conflict with my basic christian values ... I would like to know more ...

email: ruffneck44@yahoo.com

thanking you in advance ... hf
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OP - "Yes I did ... but I also believe that marriage is a covenant with God as well as each other ... "


You say this out of one side of your mouth, then ask for witchcraft out the other.\\\

Fail
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All things I have said in this post are from one mouth which is speaking on behalf one frustrated and tormented mind.

Do I believe in witchcraft, magick? ... of course ... it must exist or the bible would not teach that is not to be practiced as a model for living your life.

It is principally wrong to try to force someone to satisfy your will or desire when it is not their own (by whatever means) ~ this principle holds true in many religions, customs, and spiritual paths not to mention perhaps the fine lettering of some present day man made laws.

Imagine with me a moment a beautiful and loving wife holding your 18 month old daughter separated by a couple hundred miles figuratively crying out for your help in phone conversations, emails, in phone texts to rescue her from the bad decision she made in leaving you while she was having a manic episode (she is bipolar L-3.)Whereupon she has found herself with your daughter imprisoned by your in-law parents who enable her to hide from her own illness and poor behaviors and child-like mistakes instead of facing the fact the she needs to work through everyday challenges that ordinary people face without blowing up and destroying the good things in her life.

Her parents want her to believe she is completely normal and I am messed up and she is better off without me... she has bi-polar and all the shitty sociopathic /psychotic and irrational behaviors that go with it.

Her basic instincts for family, love, God, and staying together are all there ... Her parents are destroying her ability to have a married life with anyone, let alone me by enabling her to always be right, materialistic, self centered etc ... and mostly allowing her to pretend that with "medicine" she is normal ....

The only way she has a chance in hell of having a "normal" life, or as close to one as possible, is for her to be told the truth about her disorder and it's characteristics, how best to manage it and have complete and total trust in her spouse.

and I, ... must always be there for her ... a calming voice amidst the chaos of her manic states, or, depression. Always there to deliver the absolute truth of how things actually are ... letting her know in a supportive and non-threatening manner that her thought process or sense of rational thinking has escaped her and to take a moment and re-think things with some additional data and deeper understanding.

Being married to someone that has bi-polar is extremely difficult, damn near impossible .... at the end of the day, I often wonder if I am indeed the victim.

Her parents are destroying our right, our family, our spiritual unity, our deep love for one another with lies, deceit, outright threats of disowning her, bribery and empty promises...... It's wrong, its pure evil at it's most basic level.

So when you accuse me of speakly Godly things from one side of my mouth and then asking for witchcraft from the other; I have to wonder ...

How far would you go to save your family from hunger? .... from the threat of an attacker that intended to harm your 18 month old daughter or wife .... or to prevent them from being kidnapped? ... or otherwise destroying your family in total and never seeing them again with very little exception?

Would you steel food for your daughter? .... would you kill or bring harm to an attacker? would you put yourself in harms way to the point of laying your life down so they might live on? .... I most definitely would without a seconds hesitation.

I am glad I am not faced with such extreme conditions, such as these .... but what I am faced with is every bit as destructive to my families ability to survive together as a family .... to love each other, to live with one another the days this world has left, to see my daughter grow up ...

Her parents are using evil, controlling means to effectively force their will on my wife, daughter, our family ... Don't confuse my will to "save" my Family and our right to be a family that fears God and has chosen that path of spirituality with a double minded, double tongued lost soul who has given up on godly principles to obtain what God has not seen fit to provide me through faithful and sincere prayer.

Sin is anything you perceive to be sin ... whether that is looking at naked women, jaywalking, steeling food, killing another....

Do you perceive steeling food to keep your child alive a sin? .... killing someone who is trying to kill you, or your baby .... is that a sin ? .... Using witchcraft or sorcery to break and evil and destructive grip on your family .... is that a sin? ... in this context, I don't think so ... that's not my perception ... it's not a sin for me under the circumstances and walking a very fine line.

It's an issue of fight or flight .... walk away from my wife and daughter forever, or fight for them .
...

I have prayed and prayed ... and I believe ... I also believe sometimes its' an issue of fighting fire with fire, magick (black) with magick (white) ... psychology with psychology ....

My wife loves me, my wife needs me, and so does my daughter .... they need me to fight for them, for us .... for our family .... If I didn't feel like that inside my soul ... I would just walk away and respect her wishes. Take the advise of Mister Obvious ...accept hard reality and move on...

They are using using psychic powers, dark negative energy to control and destroy her mental attitude about this relationship .... I want to use whatever mystic or paranormal energy/ forces to free her mind, allow her free will, have a clear mind and positive attitude to be able to see the happy family unit successful with this bad experience behind us forever .... I just want her to have a choice based on truth, free will, and positive energy.

In the end, I can do only what I feel spirit led to do, what I can justify and stand accountable for someday ...
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Your new mantra:

Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.


When devising a new tactic, stop and say the mantra. When infuriated about the situation, stop and say the mantra. When sadness sets in, stop and say the mantra. When your mind succumbs to thoughts about what is going on, stop and say the mantra.
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OK -here but you gotta mean it:

Sit down.

Take a deep breath to count of seven.
Hold to count of seven.
Exhale to count of seven as you say "HA".

Do this cycle for seven times.

Then think about the Divinity in you, whomever you believe to be your higher power: Say, like you mean it. If you really mean it, you may tears rolling down your cheek.

I am sorry. Please forgive me. I love you. Thank you.

Say the above phrases, as often as you remember.

Now this does not mean you are taking the blame for the situation. You are saying to your Higher Power whatever is going on inside of me that has manifested as this situation, please forgive me for it and transmute it to pure good energy. For all is inside us.

If you find this helpful and wish to know more, I can put more links. But if something else helps you more, I wish you peace on your journey,beyond all understanding.
peace


I like this approach, doesn't seem to conflict with my basic christian values ... I would like to know more ...


thanking you in advance ... hf
 Quoting: Sixty Acres



Sorry, I just saw your reply. First start with this since it tells about a therapist doctor in Hawaii who healed his patients with this approach. I am copying below - follow the link which has a lot of free articles. Then, I can put more links. Friend, "Magick", as you will find, is inside you:

The World's Most Unusual Therapist

Two years ago I heard about a therapist in Hawaii who healed people but never saw them.

He worked in a mental hospital for criminals. Patients there were sedated and often even shackled. Staff called in sick a lot because they hated their job, the patients, and the environment.

But this therapist turned all that around. He did it solely by working on himself, doing an updated ancient Hawaiian healing method called ho'oponopono.

It took me two years to accept this story. I was fascinated but thought it was an urban myth. After all, how could a therapist cure anyone by working on himself and not even seeing the actual patients? It didn't make any sense.

I heard about this therapist again this past summer. The story began to bug me so I began to research it. It seemed to take forever to find the man, but I did. I emailed him, asked if I could interview him, and he agreed.

We spoke on the phone for an hour. He's now elderly, lives in California and Hawaii, and teaches people how to do this updated old healing method in private seminars.

He told me that he worked at that mental hospital for two years. He said it's true that he never saw a client. What he would do was look at the patient's file and then look within himself, trying to clear what was in him that created the patient and his condition.

Huh?

The therapist said everything in your life is created from within you. When you change you, the outer world changes.

I've heard this before, of course. I've even written about this in my book, The Attractor Factor. But this unusual therapist was taking the idea of total responsibility into unknown territory. He was claiming that he could heal people --- even mentally ill criminals --- by healing himself.

He went on to tell me that in a few months of doing his inner work at that hospital, patients began to improve. Many that needed sedated no longer needed sedated. Many that were in chains could be freed. And many that had been in the mental hospital for seven years, were actually being released. Even the staff started to get better, beginning to love their job and joyfully showing up to work every day. In fact, so many patients got better, that the hospital closed.

Incredible. Simply incredible.

I wanted to know more. I kept probing to find out how this therapist actually heals himself to heal others. What was he doing inside himself, anyway?

"I just keep cleaning," is all he could say.

Well, I'm leaving today to go see this therapist. I'm catching a plane to LA in just a few hours. I'm attending his seminar. I'll do my best to report what happens at his workshop when I get back next week.

For now, check out this unusual therapist, named Ihaleakala Hew Len, and the updated ho'oponopono process at [link to www.hooponopono.org]

If nothing else, be sure to read the mind-expanding article at [link to www.hooponopono.org]

Towards the Light,

Joe
www.mrfire.com
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Well, I'm leaving today to go see this therapist. I'm catching a plane to LA in just a few hours. I'm attending his seminar. I'll do my best to report what happens at his workshop when I get back next week.

Joe
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I will be interested to know how that goes .... I look forward to hearing from you ...I am just out here in the middle of sixty acres ~ searching for my "turning point", trying to understand how to turn things around ...

Todd email: ruffneck44@yahoo.com

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