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Subject For those who doubt the apostle paul

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I am guessing you are trying to refute my post from last night on the apocrypha thread.

Ask yourself, please.

Does God change? 
No.[b]we agree[/b]

Does God lie? 
No.[b]agree[/b]

Did God allow the serpent in his own perfect garden (Eden)? 
Yes.[b]i have no idea what a serpent has to do with this particular conversation, judas did fulfill that serpent if thats what you are driving at. [/b]

Does God test His people?
Yes.[b]sure God tests his people, but if this is the way you want to look at things Mr. Catholic, then lets play![/b]

Do you think you are better than Adam and Eve or anyone else He tested?

Paul is a liar, plain and simple. The faster you figure it out and get over it, the faster you can form a real relationship with God.

[b]this is a good point, but if we play it your way, then peter is a liar as well, and apparently peter has no authority, or the Holy Spirit much less the ability to discern, and by the way, this alludes you outright calling Jesus himself a liar! For it was Jesus himself that told the Apostles he would send the Holy Spirit to guide them into ALL TRUTHS!

it is by the Holy Spirit the Peter can discern the intents of people, much like the story above, it is with the Holy SPirit which Peter had authority, referr to the story above again!

It is with that same Holy SPirit Peter has that he would have outted Paul if indeed he was there amoung them as a false Apostle, NOT calling him "our beloved brother" but would have told him to die as he did the people in the story above.

peter was not a soft man given into being nice, quite the contrary, he carried a sword and was prone to react dangerously, remember the roman guards ear??? remember the 2 people in the story above??

the truth of the matter is, your disillusioned. and are preaching and teaching a lie.[/b]

Revelation 2:2-5

Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and [b]thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars[/b]: And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
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Paul did alot of work in ephesus.

if paul was of those false apostles, why didnt they kill him alot sooner???

another thing, its plural, there was many false teachers/apostles.

2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

and yet Peter say, "our beloved brother Paul"

you are in error!
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Of course it is plural, Paul had many toadies with him.

Regardless the point still stands.

Paul "I am a Apostle"

Ephesus "No you are not"

Jesus "Great job Ephesus"

Undeniable and undebatable.
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Original Message But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said , Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained , was it not thine own ? and after it was sold , was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down , and gave up the ghost : and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose , wound him up , and carried him out , and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done , came in . 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said , Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold , the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out . 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost : and the young men came in , and found her dead, and, carrying her forth , buried her by her husband.

can anybody understand what this is saying???

it basically says Peter has authority.....

can anyone else see what else it is saying???

that through the Holy Spirit, Peter could discern things.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

If Peter has the ability to discern, and paul is a false apostle, then why does Peter call him "beloved brother Paul"??

Again, if Paul is false, why then does Peter go with Paul to Rome???

the answer is simple, its because Paul wasnt a false apostle!

To preach or teach otherwise is rebellion unto the Lord and his authority, because that is the authority Peter and all the Apostles worked under.

16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

AND STICK TO THE STORY LINE!!!

The Gentiles were storming the gates of heaven getting in.

The Jews were the ones having problems understanding!

thats why paul was successful and Peter wrote this, Peter was ministering to whom???? the Jews.

works do not produce faith, works are a product of Faith!!

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