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Subject Intelligent Design Vs Science Community

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True statement. But the understanding of the universe within the science community is that the universe, time, matter and energy had a beginning, creation of it must be explained according to science and philosophy standards. They accept that the universe doesn't have an infinite past, but rather a beginning. Let's say, for instance, that the big bang theory is an absolute truth (it hasn't been proven, or it wouldn't be called a theory, it's just the best science has to go on), and an explosion of an almost infinity dense cosmic ball of matter created everything. What caused the explosion, and what created the cosmic ball in the first place? By saying it was always there contradicts the universe having a beginning, and one could argue holds the same amount of weight as saying that an intelligent being of some sort always existed as well.

If all things happened by random occurrence, then we have no real purpose and cannot be held accountable for anything we do. Saying karma exists is the same as saying God exists, because both entities hold people ultimately accountable for their actions in life, they are just given different labels. If we are here for no purpose then procreation, research, science, communication, space travel, technology, etc...have no purpose either. There is no reason to research things if there is ultimately no purpose. If there is a purpose, who created that purpose? Why do we have the need to live, if it means nothing whether we are here or not?
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Thanks for the feedback.

Many of these points are questions of philosophy which is not an area I have ever studied so don't feel very well qualified  to respond to these points.

However, I could suggest that life really does have no fundamental purpose - it just [b]is[/b] because at some point "something" came into existence that was able to make copies (or near copies) of itself so long as there was available energy and chemical resources in the environment it found itself in to allow it to keep doing so.

This, and variations when making new copies is (in my world view) what has led to the amazing variety of life, both past and present.

Life that thrives is life that is able to adapt so that it can cope well with changes in environment or, better still, is able to move into and exploit new environments.

The adaptations we have - intelligence, curiosity, creativity, morality etc have come about because these are adaptations that have led to our success as a species that can inhabit almost any environment on the planet, in group sizes ranging from one or two up to the millions of people found in large cities

Even if there is no true "purpose" in life, other than an intrinsic ability to create more (similar) life, the adaptations described give us the ability to question our existence and formulate (and test) theories to explain this, and to wonder at the sequence of events that led to this happy situation, whatever we think these might be.

For me, the world of 'chance', is just as, if not more, wonderful than a  world where everything was designed for a specific purpose.
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Original Message Aloha GLP,

I came across 2 articles that are very much worth a read, and thought I'd share them with you. Steven Power, who is one of the most popular artists in Hawaii, wrote these articles regarding Intelligent Design...and has provided some really good information, regardless of his belief that I thought you all might be interested in reading. Whether you are atheist or part of some religion, or simply want a good read these articles are worth it.

Figured I'd share these articles with you and for you to post your comments. Please keep the comments and debating clean - for there is no reason to turn this into a heated debate or slander those who hold a different belief. We are here for the truth in all things, and a healthy debate is always more productive than a negative one.

Article 1: [link to www.powergalleryhawaii.com]

Article 2: [link to www.powergalleryhawaii.com]

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