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Original Message
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According to these verses..especially the first one..he fully intended to harden the pharoahs heart FROM THE START..
Where was the FREE WILL in that for pharoah?
Exo_4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
THIS was said to him at the bush..BEFORE he went to egypt.
It was planned all along to harden his heart..AS the following verses back up.
Exo_7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.
Exo_14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.
Exo_14:17 And I, behold, I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians, and they shall follow them: and I will get me honour upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host, upon his chariots, and upon his horsemen.
So much for free will there.
But here is more..\
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
See a pattern yet??....NO free will..there never was and never will be.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Its GOD who makes the decisions..NOT US.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
ALL PLANNED..right from the start..as is EVERYTHING else.
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
SO if you get HARDENED....its all pART of HIS purpose..WE have NO SAY in it...
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
YES...who CAN resist his will??..because whoever CAN..is STRONGER and more POWRFUL than GOD.
And here is his reply..
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
And yes he DOES.\
WE are "ACCOUNTABLE"...but HE is RESPONSIBLE...for it ALL.
THATS why Jesus DIES..he was TAKING RESPONSABILITY FOR IT ALL..as OUR creationg and being born into sin was HIS PLAN>..and NOT OUR FAULT..so..to COVER it..he PAID for it..BEFORE the foundation of the world.
According to the bible we give account...but we DONT bear the responsability.
We pay for our actions..NOT our sins.
He sees the heart..and all hearts according to the verses above are MADE the way they are FOR his purpose..so in the end....
Mat_9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
And notice..his ANGER..which TOO has a purpose..iS NOT forever..
Mic_7:18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.
And finally..to prove god is in FULL control of it all and that he is NOT a heartless prick...
Hos_6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Hos_2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.
and besides all this...
What the word actually SAYS about the salvation of man is..
Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
And what they actually TEACH..
Isaiah 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of a small fraction of the nations; and some of the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
And What the word actually SAYS
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
And what they actually TEACH..
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall about 10% of mankind be made alive.
And What the word actually SAYS
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
And what they actually TEACH..
1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of just a few men, and only of those that believe.
And What the word actually SAYS
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
And what they actually TEACH..
Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away...except in hell where screaming and pain and tears and death will continue quite happily for eternity.
And What the word actually SAYS
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
And what they actually TEACH..
Isaiah 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. (8) He will swallow up 10% of death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off about 10% of faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off a bit of the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
And What the word actually SAYS
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
And what they actually TEACH..
John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw about 10% of men unto me.
And What the word actually SAYS
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
And what they actually TEACH..
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and for our's only, but not for the sins of the whole world.
And What the word actually SAYS
John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
And what they actually TEACH..
John 4:42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of part of the world.
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Took a fair bit of twisting of scripture to make them say the OPPOSITE of whats there...but most christians should not have a problem with it because its what they EXACTLY teach..
God IS love.
Its NOT an ATTRIBUTE of his..its what HE ACTAULLY IS!!!!!!
1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the LOVE that GOD ACTUALLY IS???
1Co 13:4 LOVE suffereth long, and is kind; LOVE envieth not; LOVE vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 LOVE never faileth:
But to hear most christians preach..they TWIST it to mean...
1Jn 4:8 He that condemeth others not to hell knoweth not God; for God is JUSTICE and REVENGE.
1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the JUSTICE and RAGE that God hath to us. God is JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE; and he that dwelleth in JUSTICE and etrnal SPITE dwelleth in God, and God in him.
So WHAT are the TELLING FEATURES of the JUSTICE and ETERNAL RAGE that GOD ACTUALLY IS according to how they preach it???
1Co 13:4 JUSTICE and RAGE suffereth NOTHING, and is unkind; JUSTICE and RAGE envieth all things; JUSTICE and RAGE vaunteth itself and DEMANDS worship on pain of ETERNAL TORURE, and is INCREDIBLY puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth behave itself unseemly, seeketh always its own, easily provoked, thinketh eternal evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth in iniquity, but rejoiceth NOT in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Burneth all things, condemneth all things, hopeth all things burn, endureth nothing.
1Co 13:8 And LOVE??? well..it ALWAYS faileth:
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