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Free Will is a Delusion
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[quote:Zaphod Beeblbrox 83027:MV8yNjUxNTdfNDY5OTA0MF9CRjk5RjQ0MA==] [quote:drowden] . Your rejection of my notions of free will means nothing without an argument as to why. If you reject them purely on emotional grounds then I can dismiss you as a person who could care less about what is actually true of the human condition and of Reality. Also, what has controlling what others think got to do with the issue? I'm not sure you even understand what is being said. And you don't actually know how wise I am. Many of the greatest philosophers of history have argued for the illusory nature of free will. As to the "god complex" statement, well, what can I say to that - you think you know better too so does that mean we both have a complex? Dan Rowden [/quote] If you are going to assume your comprehension is so much greater than mine perhaps you should dismiss me. I have about as much respect for your thought processes as well. You insist on labelling thought according to the guidelines of your ridiculous assumption yet you admit that you don't in fact know WHAT causes it. KNOW ONE KNOWS WHAT THOUGHT IS GENIUS. To label it as an "event" according to your flawed cosmological theory is a tremendous assumption on your part unless you can indeed explain through verifiable or falsifiable criteria what caused or random factors are in fact responsible for it. Simple physical responses in the brain do not satisfactorily explain how thought occurs. Processes of similar properties are found in nature and are artificially induced in industry but they are not thought. In your original supposition you describe all human action as an event. Is pure thought an action? Oh really? PROVE IT. Without a subsequent action that results from a thought it is in fact a non event. And your first premise is a huge assumption, all events are either caused or random? What if that premise is incomplete? What if there is a third or fourth criteria beyond your understanding? Arrogance in thinking your knowledge is complete is not a virtue. Hence my questioning of your level of wisdom. [/quote]
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Watch this:
Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.
Premise 2: All human actions are events.
Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.
If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.
And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.
"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.
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