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Free Will is a Delusion
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[quote:Kay 72054:MV8yNjUxNTdfNDY4MjM0N19DOURBNzEwQg==] [quote:Sol Invictus] OMG are you completely retarded or did you get bashed in the skull very hard? it doesnt matter, no matter what you type , you didnt choose it, even past events and causality doesnt matter, because you still cant say how its a choice. and how the fuck could you even type if time didnt exist, it takes time to type or do anything :wtf: Maybe your mind just can't grasp what I'm saying ;) I'd draw a little picture for you or use my hands to explain, but unfortunately that would be hard on GLP... So let me try to again with just words. You are saying we have no choice, no free will. I'm at A, and no matter what I do, I'll go to B, because that's what A leads to. Therefore I have no choice, no free will. Follow me so far? OK. What if however, I got superpowers. What if I, in this moment, could see an *infinite* amount of variations of my future unfold... and what if my mind could actually make sense of it. I could go to B, C, D, E, F, G, all the way through the alphabet and into infinite numbers if I wanted to. Are you saying that in that moment of super-thought, I wouldn't have free will? I would move through time to do things, obviously, but time would not *limit* me anymore... since I could navigate "potential futures" at will. Does that make more sense to you? [/quote] You know, people here at glp make it very difficult to simply have an intellectual discussion. Just because someone is presenting an opposing position on a subject doesn't mean that that person is 'retarded' or 'had his skull bashed in'. Sol Invictus is probably one of the most erudite posters that have ever been on this board. I really hate so see someone so sharp berated this way. He has a great deal to offer us all here. Sol, I apologize for this cretin's behavior. I hope you can forgive the insipid insults. Peace [/quote]
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Watch this:
Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.
Premise 2: All human actions are events.
Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.
If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.
And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.
"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.
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