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Free Will is a Delusion
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[quote:AA:MV8yNjUxNTdfNDY4MzQyNl81NTc0OTdGQg==] [quote:Naturyl] Watch this: Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random. Premise 2: All human actions are events. Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random. If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen. And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random. "Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is. [/quote] OP you are basing you entire arguement on the assumed premise 1 and 2 of your op. There is a premise 3, that a lot of physics has shown to not always hold universally true. What we consider "random" in the quantum world may simply seem random on some level because we have no learned to notice the pattern or how to interpret what we are "observing" correctly. Point is Premise 1 is not entirely true and there for nullifies your entire basis of this thread. We do not have sufficient understanding of the univerise to say Premise 1 holds true with out a doubt. Asside while human reaction may indeed be greatly influenced by an outside catalyst it does not always have to react in the predictable or supposed way. Being interested in meta-physics and philosphy as you are I am suprised you have decided to make such an arguement. Perhaps you need to go back to calculus and quantum mechanics and study probabilities and how a lot of "probabilities" can be affected by human thought and go against all statistical math. [/quote]
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Watch this:
Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.
Premise 2: All human actions are events.
Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.
If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.
And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.
"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.
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