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Free Will is a Delusion
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 118505:MV8yNjUxNTdfNDY4MzY5NV8yQzBEQ0JFNA==] [quote:Naturyl] Naturyl yes... but if some events are "caused" by human thought, then that being the cause as opposed to the reaction denotes free-will. But human thought is caused. You can decide to eat some Doritos, but that decision is caused by your hunger, which is caused by your need to survive, which is caused by evolution, which is caused by the laws of physics, which are caused by the big bang, which is caused by Nature. It all comes back to that. [/quote] That doesn't explain why you choose doritos. And please, don't try to say that "I was urged to eat doritos because I wanted to eat them". What if I wanted to eat shit, and yurned for it, and still ate doritos, then your logic is invalid. Such logic is invalid, which is why you avoid my most of my arguments. You always resort to your already refuted arguments. Sad materialist. [/quote]
Premise 1: Physics shows that all events are either caused or random.
Premise 2: All human actions are events.
Conclusion: All human actions are either caused or random.
If human actions are caused, they are not freely chosen. If they are random, they are also not freely chosen.
And we cannot say that human actions are "caused by free choice" to save the concept of free will, for "free choice" itself is either caused or random.
"Free will" is either a misunderstanding of causation or a misunderstanding of randomness. It is not real, and is thus either an illusion or a delusion, depending on your view of how useful the fiction is.
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