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Subject Book Of Enoch, Applied To These Latter Days.

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on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )
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Enoch is not making a claim that he ever remembered being in that place beneath the wings. He did wish to be placed their because of the position of its lofty place. Again, in around about way, Enoch recognized it was a very high position, on a great throne, that could be possessed by a human being!

Otherwise, Enoch would not have desired it if God the Father, God the Son Or God the Spirit was its occupant! No it was a human sitting there. For Enoch was a holy and righteous man, and would never seek the positional seat of God, the Father, Son or Spirit, as did Lucifer! He had already recognized the Father's position, whom he addressed as the Lord of Spirits, and he also recognized God the Son who he addressed as the "word of the Lord of Spirits." again acknowledging by that entity alone was salvation! He also addressed the Son, as the head of days. Yet, he knew the position of the Elect One under those wrings was offered to a created being in some future event, called the Elect One, Hidden One, etc!

What Enoch didn't recognize was the man who was there, was himself in a future form. Yet, not of the same body or he would have known himself! Nevertheless, of the same spirit, was that man. Even as it was said concerning Elijah. Elijah came as John, and they knew him not!

For at some time, Enoch, on his journey, beheld every entity and angelic being, and human kind both in heaven and on earth INCLUDING THE ELECT ONE, come and all bow down and worship BOTH the Lord of Spirits (God the Father) whom Enoch called (He) in this passage, and also they worship God the Son (including the Elect One worshiping!) God the Son was called, "the name of the Lord of Spirit" [Enoch.61:10-11.] This name (the name of the Lord of Spirits,) Enoch heard, was named this one in other verses as the savior of mankind, by his name are they saved. So it would make no sense for the Elect One, if he was God the Son, to be out in the audience with all the other entities worshiping himself from a distance!

No I don't believe Enoch had/has or will have any recollection of being beneath the winged position until he is placed there in his time! As far as him remembering from another time in the past, I don't believe he did. For it states he desired that position. As far as the elect ones being beneath those wings before their earthly birth and possibly after. I believe in a sense as (Psalm.91) instructs, it may be. Yet, I believe in the sense as to where that Elect One dwelt, it reached far more into an enigma of an understanding of that secret place; not comprehensible even in the spiritual realms.

Don't believe those men who claim the Enoch writings are evil and incorrect. For even in the same book was prophesied these books will be rediscovered in the last days, for our generation to understand. Even as they were. Some say they were destroyed in the Flood. Nevertheless, we must remember that Noah was the grandson of Enoch. And all those who knew of Enoch and his writings considered them to be of holy inspiration, by the God who afterwards took him! Noah, without a doubt took those books with him on the ark!
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Told ya you couldn't leave glp.....but you did make it 24 hours......You have 3 threads you made.....1 the rider on the white horse....2 the two witnesses...3 the hidden one book of enoch.......see the theme of all your threads.....self promotion.......ill take an apology if you are handing them out.....lol....perhaps your ego won't let you
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There is nothing self promoting in my threads. Only your fear that it might reveal truths you cannot see..lol.

I do apologies however, I did say I would be leaving glp. I didn't live up to my word on that one, and I do acknowledge that regretfully. I am also sorry for you, as well. For you never did cease your spam on my threads, as you also promised. I forgive you though. Besides after reading some of your post they are only shallow versions of the same nonsense you have always been claiming. Based on the depictions of the story of Jacob/Israel, who fulfilled his purposed plan in God's creation of the Nation Israel. Keep telling it though it's fun watching you run around in pointless circles wasting away your time in a form of armature story telling..lol.
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Original Message Many claims, and even worse, many accusations against the truth, has been pointed out against the Book of Enoch. Most claim its original author was not that of that antediluvian period, but the sayings, thoughts, quotes and words were spoken of instead by some pseudo force/form/individual/s. Having no commonality with the original writings of that antediluvian Enoch!

Nevertheless, all who would believe that the Biblical Scriptures are truly inspired and thus given in such manner by God, would venture forth very gingerly, before making accusations against the Word/Scriptures, or those true recognized servants of God.

[2Tim.3:16KJV] All scripture is given by inspiration
of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instructions in righteousness.

[2Peter.1:20KJV] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

[2peter.1:21KJV] For the prophecy came not of old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

So therefore, Jude a Disciple of Christ, and Jesus' half brother after the flesh. Quoting from the book of Enoch, in the book of Jude, in the New Testament, in the verbatim of that Enoch; Jude is claiming that the sayings in/of the Enoch book are of that individual Enoch. Therefore, by not believing this statement in the Scriptures spoken by the words of Jude. We are either believing Jude is lying, the Scriptures are lying, or the translation is flawed. Therefore, making the Word of God untrue and not ALL Scripture, is given by his inspiration!

However, seeing that the God of all creation is infallible in every manner, so also would be his promises and his Word. Therefore, the words spoken by Jude are set and are true! Otherwise, we either accuse Jude of lying, or speaking after the manner of his own will (unscriptual of course according to [2Peter.1:21].) Therefore, Jude claims these words were declared by that patriarch of old, even that Enoch.

[Jude.1:14KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

[Jude.1:15KJV] To execute judgement upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

Now regardless of what is known about prophecy or any word inspired thru God toward mankind's understanding. We know God would never have his true servants quote an inspired work from any evil source. Neither a portion thereof.

Therefore, if one portion of a work is worthy of a biblical quotation. Then all of its context must therefore be of that same source of its writings/inspiration! So Scripture would not use a source other than that inspired by God to quote in the warning of the cautions of coming events. In other-words God would never use an evil, or even a secular work/words of another to aid him in a warning toward mankind.

God instead would draw from his own inspirational words to be quoted in/from his other inspirational servants! Thus, this is exactly what he did. Jude quoting Enoch verifying both works are/were after the inspiration of the Holy Spirit! Jude did not say: even as some 'pseudo individuals' have said. No Jude makes it clear he is quoting Enoch the seventh from Adam, and the quotation is from that book of Enoch.

If these things therefore be true, we should then look into the more serious aspects of what Enoch was and is warning us about and the visions he beholds that lines up exactly with many portions of the book of Revelation.

Enoch even prophesied and claimed these words and his writings was not for his generation, but another generation to come afar off. A last generation, and that the words of his meanings would be latent until the time of its near fulfillment of its delineation.

Therefore, was such the occurrence of that promise. For a major undertaking commenced into the study of the Book/s of Enoch when large portions were discovered of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1948. Although there was a discovery of the book of Enoch I believe by another. This was after it was thought to no longer be in existence. This discovery I believe was in the latter part of the 18th century. However, There was no real study/interpretation of the book thereafter at that time. There was later on a scholar/interpreter who lived during the late 19th to early 20th century who was famous for his interpretation of the Book of Enoch. As I said, there was and is not a real true interpretation of the meaning of the book of Enoch in my opinion, as far as I can see!

As far as I am concerned and in my opinion. None of the interpretations of the Book of Enoch since its discovery, regardless of their recognition by scholarly authorities, has very little to convey to us. That its interpretation leads away from any truth toward its meaning or purpose concerning Enoch's desire to reveal to this generation and its meaning! That what the Book of Enoch sought to reveal, has nothing to reveal when it comes to its poor interpretation of its true meaning, and total lack of discerning its revelations of strange things to come forth in the days ahead.! I hope to share some of these beliefs of mine and how I believe these inspired words of Enoch might better be understood, later on in this thread.

I hope to also get some inspiring input on this thread from others concerning this motif, and others subjects of interest also.

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