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Moon Landing hoax? Debunking the Debunkers?
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[quote:Halcyon Dayz, FCD:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDc4ODJfQjkzQTlCOA==] [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 1) The one making the claim bears the burden of providing sufficient evidence. [/quote] The hoaxies claim that the Apollo record was faked. This is not just a claim, this is a criminal accusation. In many jurisdictions it would be considered felonious if anyone took it serious. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 2) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. [/quote] That's not actually true. All claims require [i]sufficient[/i] evidence. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 3) NASA's claim that "we went to the Moon and returned safely, six times, without a single fatality" is by far the most extraordinary claim in the history of science. [/quote] Hardly. It's not even a scientific claim. It is a HISTORICAL claim. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] It therefore requires a similarly monumental level of totally irrefutable evidence. [/quote] Only madman and skepbots demand such a thing. Normal folks are satisfied with proven beyond [i]reasonable[/i] doubt. Of course, nobody expects conspirasheep to be reasonable. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 4) The scientist's standard of proof is [i]independent reproducibility[/i]. Some independent party, using the same methods and apparatus, must produce the same results. [/quote] Since is Men On The Moon is a historical claim, not a scientific claim, that is irrelevant. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, must get to the Moon and back safely using the same rocket, computer, space suits, etc. [/quote] Nope, that's not how the Historical Method works. You do not have to shoot a president in Dealey Plaza to prove that JFK was murdered. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 5) The historian's standard of proof is [i]independent confirmation[/i]. Some honest independent party must irrefutably verify the claim. In re the "Moon landings," this means that another entity, not in any way beholden to NASA or the United States, and of known honesty, must verify that humans reached the Moon, walked around there, and returned safely. [/quote] And they did. Why are you confused/ [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 6) The judge's standard of proof is the [i]testimony, under oath and cross-examination, of multiple honest witnesses[/i]. In re the "Moon landings," this means that the astronauts, engineers, and NASA executives must all testify under oath to their extraordinary claim, with cross-examination by knowledgeable skeptics. [/quote] And now we are suddenly in a court of law? Over a historical question? [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] 7) NASA has not met any of these standards of proof [/quote] And this is sheer unadulterated denialism. You either have a cognitive disorder or you are straight-faced lying. [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] --not even the last, which is the simplest: Putting the astronauts, engineers, and executives under oath and submitting them to cross-examination by skeptics. [/quote] Why? You have no standing. You have no probable cause. You have no case. And who is going to pay for that? Comedy Central? [quote:BeSkeptical:MV8yODY1NjdfNzYzNDU1NzVfQjBCRTdCMEM=] It is now too late, of course--too many of them have died, including Neil Armstrong. [/quote] It is not to late. But the likes of you always run away when given such an opportunity. Calling people criminals to their face takes more guts than most you can muster. :book: [/quote]
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In an effort to be fair minded, and seeking the truth...check out:-
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link to www.badastronomy.com
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Personally i still have my doubts.
-especially after bart sabrell's video.
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link to video.google.com
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What do you all think?
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