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Subject What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!

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Then why is there a bible if all we need is a creed. Hopefully they concentrate on the creed and ignore the Pope. Jesus is King. Read the Bible.
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If you're a trinitarian or deity  of Christ believer you're following Catholic creeds.
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This trinity doctrine existed before the Roman Catholic church took over around 313-400 A.d.
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No, it most definitely did not. It was officially adopted at the First council of Constantinople in 381 AD, and it still took several centuries to fully develop the doctrines.
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It was a view held by the Church fathers before the First Council of Constantinople.

It was only had to be adopted as an offical statement as response to the heresy known was Arianism, which is same heresy you Unitarians adopted in the 1500's.
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Nope. Arianism was debated at Nicea 56 years earlier not Constantinople, and even Nicea didn't present a developed trinity. And this is almost four centuries after Jesus. Fact is the holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood at Nicea. And even after Nicea several bishops retracted the votes they felt they were pressured into. Constantine himself also converted back to Arianism and Arianism remained the dominant faith in East Rome. The trinity was invented between the 4th and 7th century after Jesus' earthly ministry. A man-made lie.

Not that I care about any of this; I don't do man-made doctrines invented by apostate bishopes. According to the Bible, Jesus, God Himself, the prophets of the Most High God, there is one Most High God, YHWH alone. Jesus called Him Father. According to your own words, Jesus was a heretic. That says all I need to know about your faith.
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The whole point of the Nicene creed which came out of the Nicene Counsel is an affirmation of the trinity and a rejection of Arianism.

The Nicene Creed's central term, used to describe the relationship between the Father and the Son, is "Homoousios"   or "Consubstantiality", meaning "of the same substance" or "of one being".

Arius himself recanted of Arianism  and was as received to communion on the strength of the confession of faith he had presented to Constantine a few years before at Council of Tyre (335 AD). It seems that after his death Arianism was again condemned at the First Council of Constantinople for posterity reasons.
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No, the whole point of Nicea was not affirming the unexisting trinity, because there was no trinity even immediately after Nicea. Haven't you even read the original Nicene Creed? There's no trinity, at most there are the early outlines of a binity. And Arianism was still widespread even after Nicea.

The holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood until the Council of Constantinople in 381. And the decision wasn't even ecumenical. Emperor Theodosius had already enforced the trinity via the Edict of Thessalonica [u]preceding[/u] the council. Get it? You precious trinity idol wasn't even fully invented at councils, but via an imperial edict authored by a recently converted pagan dictator. And it was enforced by the sword.

And even after Constantinople we're still a century away from the invention of foundational doctrines like the hypostatic union. And you mention the doctrine of them being homoousios. The divine substance/essence/ousia. Where's that in the Bible? Chapter and verse? Even when they adopted the term the bishops hesitated knowing fully well is was a Gnostic term. The same term was rejected in Pre-Ecumenical synods, but accepted when emperor Constantine was its main proponent. How curious. And no, Arius never recanted of Arianism. Arius came to Tyre to apologize? What ar you even talking about? The synod rules in favour of Arius and marked the first exile of Athanasius. Rather it was Constantine that converted. And the church was predominantly Arian before Theodosius came to power and began to purge the church. If it matters.

But it's not like I care about the doctrines, power strugggles and corruption of man-made institutions anyway. YHWH is my God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. His worl is my authority.
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Original Message The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

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