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Gospel of Salvation vs Tribulation Gospel
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Did they have to have faith in His blood? For their sins? The answer is no, and Jesus had not died yet. Israel had to believe (and WILL have to believe) in the NAME of Jesus. Christ, Messiah. Scripture says this plainly, but people who do not rightly divide do not understand this. [/quote] Salvation has always been by faith through the Grace of God. Just because the prophets have died does not mean they were not waiting for salvation to come when Christ resurrects them at the appropriate time. Do you not believe that Abraham, Moses and the other prophets and believers are saved? [i]Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham [b]believed God[/b], and it was [b]counted unto him for righteousness[/b] 1 Peter 1:10-11 10 Of which [b]salvation the prophet[/b]s have inquired and searched diligently, [b]who prophesied of the grace[/b] that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time [b]the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,[/b] when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.[/i] [/quote] Faith in what exactly? If you say God, then what did Jesus die for? Why did Jesus have to die? [/quote] Faith in God and his future plans with Christ. They were prophets. Does God not reveal his plans? [i]Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.[/i] [/quote] I will ask a third time, why did Jesus have to die? [/quote] [i]1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that [b]Christ died for our sins[/b] according to the Scriptures, Rom 6:23 [b]For the wages of sin is death[/b], but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Rom 3:23 for [b]all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,[/b] 2Co 5:21 [b]For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us[/b], that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Joh 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "[b]Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world![/b] Joh 3:16 "F[b]or God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son[/b], that [b]whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.[/b] Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: [b]but the just shall live by his faith.[/b] Isa 26:19 [b]Your dead shall live; together with my dead body they shall arise[/b]. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; for your dew is like the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Pro 30:4 [b]Who has ascended into heaven, or descended[/b]? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name, and what is His Son's name, if you know? Act 4:12 "[b]Nor is there salvation in any other[/b], for there is no other name under heaven [b]given among men by which we must be saved."[/b][/i] [b]Now show me how you think Israel is saved by the law using the old testament. Also show me one man saved man in the old testament who was resurrected before Jesus.[/b] [/quote] Jesus died for our sins. Then we must trust in what He did. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in the King James says we must have faith in HOW He died, shedding His blood. Romans 3:25 Is this how people were saved during the ministry of John the Baptist, during Jesus' ministry, and the ministry of the early apostles to Israel? Were those people saved by trusting in His blood per Romans 3:25? [b]Yes or no[/b] If you answer this honestly then there won't be a need to go back and forth on this anymore. [/quote] Yes they were saved that way there is no other way to be saved. Can you show me anyone not saved by faith through the blood of Christ. Even Abraham is saved this way. There is only one gospel. The law does not save. Once we are saved and are given the Holy Sprit only then can we follow all God's law. [/quote] You are conflating the two different ways again Israel was told to believe on the NAME of Jesus, which is Christ, Messiah. They were not given the gospel of faith in the blood atonement per Romans 3:25, because Jesus had not died yet. Two different ways for two different people. [/quote] The disciples were told it was going to happen. Abraham and other prophets may or may not have been told by God. Just the same they had faith God would save them. [i]Job 19:25 For I know that[b] my redeemer liveth[/b], and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:[/i] How he saved them is through the blood of Christ. There is no other way that is made known. [/quote] The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said. Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles. Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles. [/quote] Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only. [i]Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened[b] he[/b] their understanding, [b]that they might understand the scriptures[/b], 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to [b]suffer[/b], and to [b]rise from the dead[/b] the third day: 47 And [b]that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations[/b], beginning at Jerusalem[/i] All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul. [/quote]
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