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Scientists Baffled-New Discoveries-Darwinian Evolution Crumbling-Scientists Abandon Theory
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[quote:MaybeTrollingUAgain:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY4MTM0X0YxNkZCQ0Qw] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY3MjcyXzI2NDU3MkVF] [quote:MaybeTrollingUAgain:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY3MTY1X0EzN0M2ODU1] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY3MDUzXzYwRjBGNDk0] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY3MDE0XzlBRjhBNDMz] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2OTM0XzFGQTM5QTVC] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2OTAzX0FBRUE1QzNC] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2ODg4X0Y0MjM2NThD] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2NjYzX0Y3RUNCQzgw] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2NjMzXzhBOUI0OEM1] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDY2NTIzXzkxQzZDN0RE] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDU3NjgyX0UxNzRCQzJE] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDU3MzcwXzhFMjkwMzI1] My point is that you think Christian creationists are representative of all religion and treat all religion as if it is run/governed/controlled etc by creationists. It isn't. Your viewpoint is why people don't like immigration because you don't know who is the nutter so all must be nutters. Religion is also not the Bible. The Church is not all religion. If the Pope didn't want his Priests to stare at the cosmos and study the heavens then they wouldn't have built something like 100 observatories around the world. You are the small minded one in this conversation. irrespective of the Bible and what is written churches still look for answers. Answers to prove the Bible right but in doing so to also invalidate parts of the Bible. If you didn't know Catholic Priests spend years at university to become a Priest. They are educated and are taught to doubt, ask questions and seek truths, and yes some do things they shouldn't like all people. I think your view that religion is the enemy is a generalisation and not entirely fair. FWIW I have been in a catholic church twice, once for a wedding and once for a funeral so I am far from a Catholic or any other Church. [/quote] I don't think Christian Creationists are representative of all religion. No idea why you accuse me of this. My view is why people don't like immigration? lol. That's a stretch. Ok. The pope wants people to look through telescopes. Cool. I don't care. My problem is when people use the Bible as a source for scientific knowledge. This is the primary reason that people reject evolution, big bang, the age of the earth, abiogenesis etc. It's why people rejected the germ theory of disease and heliocentric theory. The abrahamic religions have historically punished people for questioning them, and taught that you will be tortured for eternity for disbelief. You know this is true. Churches may encourage people to seek knowledge, but there are core teachings within each religion that can not be changed without destroying the religion. Christianity for example is not open to the possibility that Yahweh is a man-made myth. If Yahweh is a myth, Christianity is false. I never said religion is the enemy. I think buddhism contains a lot of wisdom and practical advice, as does the teachings of Jesus. I may even be considered a pantheist. If you believe that god is omnicient and he created nature, then evolution and abiogenesis, like all natural processes, would be part of his will. But Creationists won't accept this because of their literal interpretation of genesis. So they run around spreading misinformation and trying to discredit science. [/quote] It was not religion that rejected Big Bang, the church immediately embraced it, science rejected it. What better way to prove "in the beginning". You need to look at history instead of making false statements. [/quote] I didn't make a false statement. That guy right above you rejects the big bang as an atheistic religion that says everything randomly came from nothing. I'm aware of how the theory came about, but today you will find Creationists everywhere reject it. Many of them even think that the big bang and evolution are the same theory, such as Kent Hovind. In his words, the big bang is just the atheists way to explain the universe without God. You continue to try and fail to attack my character and credibility, I'm just interested in the science. [/quote] and then you blamed Abrahamic religions. It is getting old. [/quote] I blamed Abrahamic religions for what? I don't even know what you're talking about. I said Abrahamic religions have historically punished people for questioning them. That's a fact. If it upsets you, then too fucking bad. Let's talk about the science. Science offers naturalistic mechanisms for how life appeared, evolved. Whether a god controls those processes is another question. Creationists propose no mechanism for how god creates things, other than miracles/magic. All they do is accuse evolutionists of having faith and being nazis. It's sad. I've briefly described the ERV and fossil evidence. You don't find these convincing? [/quote] Can we talk about how science and the world's pre-eminent scientists rejected the Big Bang Theory because the Church embraced it or is that inconvenient? [/quote] 'Science' didn't reject it, but yeah popular scientists did. Then scientists gathered evidence and it changed people's minds. So what? [/quote] So what you don't like about others is acceptable from scientists? Interesting that you call scientists such as Eddington, Einstein and Hoyle along with many others as popular scientists. [/quote] There you go again. No, I don't hold scientists to lower standards, no matter how much you want me to. Nothing I said implies that. I didn't name any of those scientists specifically, but Einstein is popular, so what are you talking about? [/quote] Dude, what bothers me the most in these fanatics is the dishonesty. They go to any length to justify their fanaticism, lie and even kill if needed. This is because religion is all they have, without it their world would erude beneath them. Many times I've talk to fanatics and asked: "If somehow it is proven without a shadow of a doubt that god is not real and religion is all crap, what would you do?". Many answer along the lines of "I'll go out and kill and steal and rape for there are no consequences". For these people, which is not a minority among fanatics, is better they don't go out of this faith bubble of darkness. The only thing separating them from barbarism is the fear of consequences, for inside they are horrible people, anguished in their fear of the invisible, inexistent god. But by far, the worst is their dishonesty. Reason, logic, proof and truth is not important, these things are almost as if impossible concepts for them. Better believe in magic, almighty rageful gods than knowing the truth. So questining them is asking for outrageous answers, full of false rhetorics, logical fallacies and all kinds of dishonest argumentation. Trying to be reasonable with fanatics is the same as chewing bubble gum to solve an algebra problem. Its futile to bring reason to their lives, they are better with their lies and superstition. In summary, they are dangerous ignorants, and they are the majority. Luckily, religions have a timespan of like a couple thousand years tops, history based on history of religions that came and died. [/quote] They were making a very clear point to you and clearly you are so obsessed that you were blind to their point. Judeo-Christian values and morals are the basis of law and morals throughout western societies. Their point was that if you have no God then the basic foundations of Western civilisation as we know it is built on a false premise. The Bible says thou shalt not kill etc etc. If the Bible has no standing then why should such things be seen as bad? What values will ultimately replace it? [/quote] See? More logical fallacies! This one called cherry picking. Wanna talk moral? Great, lets do it: Take any pedophile case. Your dear god will do squat to help or save an innocent. It will be like: "You go ahead and do it, I'll punish you later". Anyone with a drop of moral, will do something to stop it from happening. This is the difference between your almighty moral thug and people with moral. Wanna talk moral? Great, lets talk more: How many slaves do you have? The bible is very clear on the rules on owning people as property. And don't you dare "old testament" shit on me. It is either the whole thing or nothing, you can't be cherry pick what is convenient to you and blame the rest on "this is old, out of context" or some puny excuse like that. Fanatics like you are the worst type of liars, you lie to yourself and try to impose your lie on anybody else. [/quote]
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The discovery of tyrannosaurus soft tissue is enough to cost this scientist her job. The implications are that the infamous dinosaur can be no older than several thousand years, twelve thousand max. This significant discovery should be enough to at least cause a revision of natural history. interview of scientist who found the soft tissue begins at 1:25 by 60 Minutes.
At 25 minutes they speak pertaining to the blood vessels found in these "fossils".
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