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[quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2ODY3Xzc4NEZDMjQy] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk1NzQ4X0MzMkY1NTgy] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk0MTUyXzg2RDA5NjBB] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDg1NTE4XzgwQkM1QzE5] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDgzNTE2XzQyNkYyRUMy] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDgzNDIyXzZGRUREMzJG] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDgzMzM2Xzc0RDQzMEYy] You have said repeated that because Jefferson and Franklin were not Christians then they can't have done anything based on Christian values. [/quote] Never said that. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDgzMzM2Xzc0RDQzMEYy] You said Christian values only exist because of the Bible. [/quote] Yes, Jesus was a jew. He studied the Torah (old testament) and spoke of it constantly. People get their information about Jesus -including his teachings- from the Bible. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDgzMzM2Xzc0RDQzMEYy] I am trying to show you that even if you don't believe in the Bible you can still believe in Jesus and his teachings and use them as a basis for governing. [/quote] Jesus is in the Bible. To believe in him, you must believe part of the Bible. You could use his teachings as a basis for government, but that wasn't the case for America or Australia. [/quote] Well at that point you are in the minority as the Judea-Christian values underpinning both countries are well documented, discussed and accepted by the majority. You can live in your own little world. [/quote] https://scottjhiggins.com/we-are-not-a-christian-country-never-have-been-never-will-be-never-want-to-be/ Name one of these values that underpin both countries. [/quote] You still can't differentiate between being a Christian country and the basis of our morals and laws being based on Judea-Christian values. [/quote] I can't? Coming from the guy that said this: [b]"how about explaining why those countries built on the foundations of Judeo-Christianity have the lowest rates of slavery in the world?"[/b] And this: [b]"...you can still believe in Jesus and his teachings and use them as a basis for governing."[/b] You're so full of it, but I think you've actually convinced yourself you make sense. The abolition of slavery had nothing to do with Judeo-Christian values, which condone slavery. Australia and America were not built on the foundations of Judeo-Christianity. And the laws aren't based on it either. I asked you to name one Christian value that underpins both countries, and you couldn't do it. Now you've switched to saying our laws are based on those values. Despite the fact that the 10 commandments don't permit freedom of religion, or working on the sabbath. Jesus was against war and the accumulation of wealth. The idea our country or laws are founded or based on Christian values is a joke. Both these countries permitted slavery at their inception by the way, which makes your argument even more nonsensical. Then when you're unable to back up your position, you tell me everyone else agrees with you (appeal to popularity fallacy) and tell me I live in my own little world. Which is ironic coming from someone that advocates basing our ethics on fairy tales. I'll end with this: [i]The Treaty of Tripoli (1797) Article 11 states: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...[/i] [/quote] You are becoming unhinged.......................... [/quote] That's because you're painfully obtuse. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] I have NEVER claimed America or Australia were Christian nations. Please, read back and find where I said that because I didn't and if ny some miracle you find that I did type it then I apologise because it was never my intent to say that. [/quote] Nice attempt to shift the goal posts. You didn't say 'Christian nation' but you said this: "[b]Claiming the America and Australia were not founded on Judea-Christian values is just ignorant.[/b]" [b]"...countries built on the foundations of Judeo-Christianity"[/b] [i]"...you can still believe in Jesus and his teachings and use them as a [b]basis for governing[/b]."[/i] [b]"the basis of our morals and laws being based on Judea-Christian values."[/b] The countries weren't built on the foundations of Christianity, they weren't founded on Christian values, Jesus's teachings were not the basis of government or our laws. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] The Muslim Barbary pirates were waging war against the US commercial shipping. In an effort to stop it America agreed to a Treaty. The American Congress (including some founding fathers) voted unanimously for the Treaty of Tripoli. I have said time and again that America was not a Christian nation, it was founded largely by Freemasons which is why it passed amendments regarding Freedom of religion. Nothing you have typed here is inconsistent with anything I have said so far. [/quote] The treaty of tripoli says: The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion. You said ""[b]Claiming the America and Australia were not founded on Judea-Christian values is just ignorant.[/b]" You don't see any inconsistency there? I assume you'll say religion and values are two different things. So what values are you talking about, and were they being utilized by the slave owning founding fathers when they went to war with the natives? [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] Let me say this once more, Christian values does not mean or imply that the person holding the Christian values is a Christian. Same with a country. [/quote] Again, what values? Prohibiting murder and rape are now Christian values? Despite those things going back to the roman empire and Germanic tribes prior to Christianity? [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] I never once said that the abolition of slavery was because of Judea-Christian values, that is a link you made. I said that those countries that held Judea-Christian values do not have slavery today while many others do including countries with religions that you and the other one had held up as being so much better. I asked why those other countries still had slavery while the countries that held Judea-Christian values did not and neither of you have been capable of answering it. The question wasn't why some countries stopped slavery but rather why the others hadn't stopped slavery. [/quote] Yeah, of course it's my fault. You just asked me to explain why Christian countries have less slavery, you obviously weren't implying a connection. Give me a break. "...with religions you and the other one had held up as being so much better." I never held any religion up as better. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNDk2NTkwXzY5NkJEODdE] You can argue about this all you want but there are far more arguing like this article than against it. More importantly at the time of the Founding Fathers it was debated far less. Read "The Federalist Papers". [/quote] The treaty of tripoli was at the time of the founding fathers. Do you realize that having more people agree with you doesn't make you right? That's a fallacy. Christians desperately want to believe that their country was founded on Christianity. [/quote]
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The discovery of tyrannosaurus soft tissue is enough to cost this scientist her job. The implications are that the infamous dinosaur can be no older than several thousand years, twelve thousand max. This significant discovery should be enough to at least cause a revision of natural history. interview of scientist who found the soft tissue begins at 1:25 by 60 Minutes.
At 25 minutes they speak pertaining to the blood vessels found in these "fossils".
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