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Scientists Baffled-New Discoveries-Darwinian Evolution Crumbling-Scientists Abandon Theory
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[quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjQzNDY5XzE0NkI4M0E5] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjQzNDIyX0U3RDU5RjI1] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjQxMjk4XzRBNzAxQkM5] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjMyMDUyX0E1MDExQTRC] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjI5ODQxX0MxNjE4NUI5] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjI1MDA0XzkxQTI1QTMy] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjI0NDE1XzQwMEI5NDVD] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjIzODI4XzgxNUE3QUZG] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjIzODAxX0NBQjBBMEQ5] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjIzNzc1Xzg5QzBCNTNB] [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjIzNzQ4X0RDNUM5QTQ0] [quote:Spur-Man:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjAzMDQzXzM0MDEwNjI5] [quote:musashi777:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjAyNzYzX0JCQzQxNTRC] All I know is that humans seem to have the behavioral potential of the entire animal kingdom. As of now my thought s can only reach so far. Allow me tomorrow morning to ponder your challenge. For now, it seems to me that we exist in a persistent illusion whereas there seems to be some deeper truth evading our five sensory perceptions..If there were a God, why not use the animal world to demonstrate the range of potential that is within our souls I.E. Lowly vs Noble [/quote] I don't see what that has to do with [b]how [/b] modern life got to where it is. If there is a God, why not create a universe in which nature would automatically produce the life we see through the process of evolution? [b]The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.[/b] [/quote] The bold is a positive assertion. Can you prove conclusively where Pinnipeds come from? [/quote] Pinnipeds? It's a mammal of the order carnivora. The genetic evidence indicates that it shares a common ancestor with land dwelling carnivorans. Its appearance alone would suggest this. In addition, we have fossils that show these animals becoming aquatic over time. [/quote] Not a generality, specifically. They are still debating where the different types of Pinnipeds "evolved" from. So can you trace a Walrus all the way back to the initial microbes? [/quote] No, there's no real debate. Pennipeds are in the order Carnivora. Those in the order Carnivora are more related to each other than those outside the order. All the evidence indicates that walruses diverged from Carnivorans, which diverged from mammals, which diverged from tetrapods, which diverged from chordates, which diverged from eukaryotes. [/quote] Yet they are still not certain. It has not been proven, "All the evidence" is not proof. You made the assertion so the burden of proof is with you and "all the evidence" is not proof. [/quote] Some say they are certain. I don't. Do you consider paternity tests to be proof? Because the ERV evidence is about as reliable. I made the assertion that the evidence is on the side of evolution theory (specifically common ancestry)and that it can explain the observed data. It is and it does. Proof is usually associated with math. Science builds explanatory models. Models with predictive power are more probably correct than those without. [/quote] and now you are running away from what you said [b]The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does, and it does so using natural phenomena that we already observe directly.[/b] [/quote] I'm not running away at all. The model of common ancestry can explain why everything appears the way it does. Why is life arranged in nested hierarchies? Because different taxa diverge from common ancestors. This also explains why identical ERV's are distributed across different taxa to varying degrees, in accordance with their taxonomic classification. Why do we see taxa emerge in the sequence demonstrated in the fossil record? Because earlier taxa evolved into the later ones. [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjI5ODQxX0MxNjE4NUI5] Are you prepared to accept that other hypotheses can also explain and have not been disproved but evolution is the accepted model at the moment? [/quote] I never said evolution isn't the accepted model at the moment. There are infinite hypotheses we can't disprove, but what reason is there to think any of them are correct? The evidence for evolution is so overwhelming that it is highly unlikely for it to be incorrect. What hypothesis do you have that can equally explain the facts, make valid predictions and be equally supported by the evidence? [quote:newtome:MV8zOTM2MzAxXzcxNjI5ODQxX0MxNjE4NUI5] By your definition of proof the climate models don't prove the link between CO2 and temperature. [/quote] I never gave you a definition of proof. I don't know what you're talking about. I can't prove that I'm not in a coma right now, but I have no reason to think I am. [/quote] So once again we are at the point where you know what you are saying must be true but you have no conclusive proof that it is, just lots of evidence.................... Can you explain how the evolutionary process has so many abrupt jumps rather than only gradual changes? [/quote] From Berkley https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_51 [i]Does a jump in the fossil record necessarily mean that evolution has happened in a "quick" jump? We expect to see a jump in the fossil record if evolution has occurred as a "quick" jump, but a jump in the fossil record can also be explained by irregular fossil preservation. We observe examples of both slow, steady change and rapid, periodic change in the fossil record. Both happen. But scientists are trying to determine which pace is more typical of evolution and how each sort of evolutionary change happens. [/i] [/quote] I'm beginning to think you're not interested in a dialogue. You keep ignoring my questions and responses. What do I know is true that I have failed to provide proof for? Changes will be more abrupt when an environment undergoes sudden change, or a population is put through a genetic bottleneck. [/quote]
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The discovery of tyrannosaurus soft tissue is enough to cost this scientist her job. The implications are that the infamous dinosaur can be no older than several thousand years, twelve thousand max. This significant discovery should be enough to at least cause a revision of natural history. interview of scientist who found the soft tissue begins at 1:25 by 60 Minutes.
At 25 minutes they speak pertaining to the blood vessels found in these "fossils".
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