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If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
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[quote:DGN:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTc0ODAwX0EwRkI3OEQ4] [quote:TheLordsServant:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTczNjY3X0ZGOEM1RjRF] [quote:DGN:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTczNDk1Xzk1OUVGNkMz] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77374108:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTczMTUwXzRGOEE4RkFC] [quote:TheLordsServant:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTczMDY5XzFDQjkwRUZC] "Jesus Saves" is a popular phrase and even a song title. Yet...Who actually forgives our sins? Jesus TELLS us. Matthew 6 [color=red]14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, [b]your heavenly Father will also forgive you:[/b] 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, [b]neither will your Father forgive[/b] your trespasses.[/color] :horn2: [/quote] Jesus forgived the thieves on the cross. [/quote] A little fine tuning trivia on judgement; 'Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. 20 For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive, so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to. 22 [b][i]For the Father judges no one at all, but he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, 23 so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father[/i][/b]" Jo5:19 [/quote] Judgement is at the end times, which is when Jesus will judge. The Father "has entrusted" judging to Jesus. :hi: [/quote] Yes the [i]final judgement[/i] for salvation at the end of the 1,000 years. Coming upon this world soon is the [i]Armageddon[/i] judgement, deciding who in current time will be granted deliverance thru the tribulation, a 'great crowd' yes but extremely few. Rv7:14 [/quote]
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
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