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If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 75734733:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDI5NjM1X0RENEZFRTY2] [quote:TheLordsServant:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDI5NTQzXzc5MkI2M0NE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 76793941:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDI4MjcxXzFGQjIwQzI=] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77367216:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTgxMTcxXzIyRTI4MkU1] [b]Jesus is [color=red]NOT[/color] God. The Bible makes that 100% clear! John 3:16 John 14:28[/b] [/quote] Liar![/quote] Jesus NEVER claims to be God Himself. How many times does He say Father? :1doh1: [quote:Anonymous Coward 76793941:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDI4MjkxXzlGNzgwRDRD] DGN is a card carrying member of the jehovahs witness cult...linked to abuse for decades.This guy has no clue. [/quote] And you trinitarians try to claim Jesus is equal TO the Father, which Jesus plainly states that He IS NOT. Trinitarianism is a cult that took over just after Tertullian in the 2nd century. Look him up. [quote:Anonymous Coward 76793941:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDI4Mzg3XzZFQzJGMzBG] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77367216:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcxOTgxMTcxXzIyRTI4MkU1] [b]Jesus is [color=red]NOT[/color] God. The Bible makes that 100% clear! John 3:16 John 14:28[/b] [/quote] Your discernment is not from the Lord. All of the below verses prove Yeshua is God. Father, Son, Holy Spirit = Elohim plural Unless you have been born again and filled with Holy Spirit you cannot see it. Isaiah 9:6 Titus 2:13 Hebrews 1:8 [/quote] Nope. They don't. Trinitarian nonsense. https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message3605321/pg1 [/quote] Here. Maybe you would like to spin this to discredit God. DGN seems to be busy, or stumped. Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Man seen the Father via " The Son of Man" the Father was inside the mortal flesh that he "sent" thus, God in the flesh. [/quote]
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
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