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If Jesus was with God and was God in the beginning why does the bible say he is God's first creation?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 76945575:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDUxMjI4X0NBNzhGRkI5] [quote:TheLordsServant:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDQyMTM5Xzg5RjdDNjY5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 72866157:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDM5MDA5X0M2MzlBNDhD] [quote:TheLordsServant:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDM1NjU4XzgyMTJBMzU1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 73752947:MV8zOTcyNDY4XzcyMDM1NDk1XzUzOTI0NDhB] And you missed Isaiah 42:8 "I am the LORD, that is My name; [b][u]I will not give My glory to another[/u][/b], Nor My praise to graven images. Your turn! [/quote] Easy. Statement was made "pre-Jesus" - before Jesus was introduced to the world stage. Totally appropriate for that point in time. It's also possible that since Jesus IS the Son OF God - that He had His own glory - but lost it temporarily while being born of a human on earth. Maybe the "Transfiguration" was the Father giving it back to Jesus for a few moments to show the difference between Him and Moses / Elijah. [/quote] Your obviously not the sharpest tool in the shed. The statement was not pre-Jesus. Hiw do we know this? Jesus had Glory before the world was created. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the [b]glory which I had with thee before the world was.[/b] So, your assertion that the statement was Pre-Jesus is as foolish as the rest of your assertions concerning who God really is. [/quote] :dumbass: During the Old Testament, only the Father knew who Jesus was. What part of "before Jesus was introduced to the world stage." is it that you don't understand? What part of John 3:16 is it that you can't comprehend? John 3:16 (KJV) [i][color=red][b]For God so loved the world, that [u]he gave his only begotten Son,[/u][/b] that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[/color][/i] Jesus is the Son OF God. Period. [/quote] And what part of the old testament scipture do you not understand, that God said he would not give his glory to another, while whoever Jesus was had that Glory pre human existence? Either God was/Is a liar and GAVE his Glory to another, or you've missed who God is. [/quote]
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" These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God:" Rv3:14
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