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What is the main reason so many do not believe in a Creator...and choose evolution?
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[quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NjIzMjQ1X0I1RDAxMzQ4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78417268:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NDc4NzA1Xzg1NUVCRERE] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NDcwNjk5Xzk5NUMwODY3] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78417268:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NDYwOTM1XzVDMzlDMjRC] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NDQ4NjU4X0MwRkEyNUMy] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78292982:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3NDE2MzExX0YzQkU2MkNB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MzUwODQ5XzQxQTkzOEY4] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78292982:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjI3MTA4X0I5QjhDMUU5] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjEzMDI3X0QyMzEzOTRB] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78292982:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjA2NTM5XzIwRTczRTY1] [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjAzODUxXzQ3NjA3MkIw] [quote:Anonymous Coward 78292982:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MTY5MjI3XzhBQkNBM0ZF] [quote:CelestialMaiden:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MTYyMzA2XzE5NEUxQ0RD] [quote:Interested_1:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MTYwMDUyX0NCMUI1QTUy] Rebellion. [/quote] Interesting answer.....rebellion is where it all began [/quote] Rather than making assumptions and judging people you've never met, maybe you should actually go learn what the evidence is for evolution. Have you ever tried that? Can you even tell me what evolution theory is? [/quote] Conjecture, pragmatism and bullshit. We know what you believe to be true, do not worry, we all know and we have very good reasons not to believe this to be true. Cheers :5a: [/quote] I don't think you do. After all this time, can you tell me why most scientists accept evolution? It's been explained to you over and over. Do you know what the theory says, and what accurate predictions it makes? Why don't you think that a scientific theory that makes accurate predictions should be considered invalid? Can you propose an alternative theory that has equal predictive power? [/quote] Most scientists accept evolution because they will lose their jobs, funding and credibility if they dont. [/quote] Lol ok... So they're all just pretending? They don't really think the evidence supports evolution? You're delusional. You're pulling this claim straight out of your ass based on nothing. As I thought, even though it's been explained to you over and over, you still don't know why scientists accept evolution. You don't have the attention span necessary to learn basic biology. [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjEzMDI3X0QyMzEzOTRB] Just like Flew when he abandoned his ideas. [/quote] Flew didn't abandon evolution, retard. He was a deist, which means he didn't believe in your god. I've told you this multiple times, but it's like your brain is incapable of absorbing new information. [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjEzMDI3X0QyMzEzOTRB] I mean your attitude towards this topic already clearly reflects the credibility part of my argument. It is just a matter of time for you to change your mind when a new and trendy consensus comes along. [/quote] Another claim that you pulled out of your ass, based on nothing. Evolution theory has only grown stronger since it was created, and it's not going anywhere in our lifetimes. [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjEzMDI3X0QyMzEzOTRB] My alternative theory is that either everything was created and yours is everything created itself. [/quote] You don't know what I believe, or what theory means, you dense fuck. Show me a test that demonstrates a snowflake is assembled by an intelligent creator. [quote:Anonymous Coward 77762685:MV80MjM5MTUyXzc3MjEzMDI3X0QyMzEzOTRB] The main difference is, when I point out lets say a feather and show you complexity, functionality and ingenuity, my explanation will start out with a mind/creator and yours will start out with 'nature/time/dont know/no creator' did it. [/quote] Yeah, because nature and time are facts. Your religion is not. I try to explain the feather using evidence, you'll make ignorant assertions based on nothing at all. That's the real difference between us. I'm describing complex biological processes, you're just asserting 'god done it.' That doesn't explain anything. Just like saying 'my parents made me' doesn't explain how reproduction actually works. Again, you haven't retained anything about evolution, despite arguing about it constantly. You're too stupid to talk to. Stop wasting my time. [/quote] Flew stated that "the most impressive arguments for God’s existence are those that are supported by recent scientific discoveries" and that "the argument to Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it". The argument of ID is that evidenced objects and physical concepts are either too simple or too complex to be simply natural, whichever of the two extremes one chooses to be the hallmark of design by an outside intelligence. He also answered in the affirmative to Habermas's question, "So of the major theistic arguments, such as the cosmological, teleological, moral, and ontological, the only really impressive ones that you take to be decisive are the scientific forms of teleology?". He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before But that's just a crazy old man in fear of death. You are the only source of wisdom here, we know. [/quote] Do you know what a deist is? Deists believe that god started the universe, but doesn't interact with it beyond that. Flew believed in evolution. So why do you keep bringing him up to support your Creationist position? Flew disagreed with you. [/quote] I see. So god created the universe but nothing else. Like a human filling a fishtank with water and then wait for the fish to magically appear/evolve/whatever, because 'life finds a way'. :starwars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XehO2acZzGo Clearly this man has no clue as well. Thank notgod for your wisdom and their stupidity. So to be clear, did god start evolution or not? Or only the universe and then wait? Cheers [/quote] You're comparing an entire universe, with a tank of water, which is stupid. A tank of water isn't full of black holes, and colossal nuclear reactors that condense matter into heavy elements. Think about it, if God is omniscient, then he predetermined everything that would happen at the moment of creating the universe. [/quote] Well why not, a fish tank is less complex. I don't think bringing in biological or cosmological factories is helping your case for evotardism to be a thing. Or let alone it being a god created evolution thing. Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus? [/quote] Yes, a fish tank is less complex... that means it has LESS potential configurations and possibilities. Despite what you think, the presence of 'cosmological and biological factories' does mean that there are far greater possibilities that can emerge as a result of the interaction of matter and energy within the system. Have you ever heard of the game of life? Here it is: [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2vgICfQawE[/youtube] This very simple system is capable of spontaneously forming complex structures, capable of movement, and self replication. If such a basic system can produce these things, imagine what the universe can produce given billions of years. [b]"Again, so god created the universe and thats it, or also started the process of evolution, a bit like the opening scene of Prometheus?"[/b] You're still not getting it. I'm not talking about aliens coming to Earth and seeding life, I'm talking about a God that created the universe itself. If God is all knowing, and created the laws of nature/physics, then it logically follows that he predetermined everything that would occur. Get it? [/quote] Just as likely as you flipping a coin 500 times and it lands heads everytime. You understand this, I don't and I am ok with that. I'll take my chances with my own silly stupidity. Your statements concerning god are very confusing, what did god create and what did god not create? [/quote]
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Can it be said fairly that those who believe in evolution are "spiritual orphans"...with no Heavenly Father, and no hope for the future on this earth?
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