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Show me God without the Bible, then prove he is your religion.
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God follows the works of the evils and the saints, right here on GLP, that's the undeniable truth, as in the days of Noah, the door of the Ark will shut then the rain will start to fall, we're close. [/quote] I'm not a gatekeeper, just an asshole who knows you're wrong and enjoys having the conversation. [/quote] You've been deceived by these gate keepers, you have no clue about the spiritual war that's taking place all over the earth. [/quote] There is no war in monotheism. [/quote] God was already there before the word Monotheism was spoken for the first time, you're a mason right ? [/quote] And G-d will be after the last word is spoken. I'm a J-w, we understand the concept of monotheism. [/quote] You understand the concept of mesirah better. [/quote] There are bad apples in every bushel, regardless of whether the apple is green, red, Cortland, Fiji, Empire, etc. You are all over the place. Are you okay? [/quote] Sadly bad apples/potatoes beget more of the same unless you remove them from the "infected" bushel...even so the bad in the fruit can be parred away and if done in time you still have enough to be of good use. Even when it is beyond any real salvaging there are the seeds inside that can bring forth much good fruit later [/quote] What a [i]pragmatic [/i]view of humanity. Just like gold teeth can be pried out of the corpses of inferior races, right? [/quote] say what? I think you misread what I meant. I have to say it stuck me a minute ago you come across as someone who is high up in this world. Like you are a creator who has been sickened by his creation and plans on killing every last one of us for our beliefs and actions we say/do in his/her name and yet even so you WANT to be proven right one more time before going through with the SNAP of your Fingers. That no matter how many of us are TRYING to do/be good nothing we can say or do will change your mid from the course you have set before you? Are you a killer? Have you done wrong? What is YOUR End Game? I just want a good world not there is still some of that out there but we are about to lose what little there is as we debate it on here and do NOTHING out there. [/quote] Why are you guilt-tripping me? I wanted to kill myself, but I got hospitalized for A YEAR to punish me, while nothing was done about the cause. Why was it so important to save me? Because I might be USEFUL later. That is all. Where is the goodness in that? That one person would destroy the world because it isn't useful for them is the LOGICAL end of that utilitarian calculus, and it requires drastic breaks in logic, morality, and ethics to ensure that it doesn't fail. Along with this, it selects for those sort of 'morally flexible' individuals over people who are naturally good. Eventually both the hands and the voice are that of Esau. And if 'everyone's doing it' is your excuse, then what constitutes chosenness except for the same old racial exclusivism, tribal version? [/quote] I've been following along so thanks for the reading material. Saying that people can be "naturally good" implies that people can also be "naturally bad" which you misrepresented as morally flexible. Morally flexible doesn't signify bad nor does it exclude those you view as "naturally good". A lot of opinions paraded as fact, thats ok, but be sure to reflect and figure out where you went wrong as to do better next time. [/quote] A person who 'didn't see nothin'' when asked to testify against a rabbi who raped a kid and additionally works in tandem with the rest of the community to shun the parents for reporting them to the authorities isn't 'good' in any sense of the word. Goodness is often viewed in the sense of utility which, as it accrues to the benefit of the community at large politically, is often elevated to the standing of being morally good as well. The community I speak of has such a deficit of moral courage and hypocrisy in this regard that the line between naturally [i]evil[/i](not 'bad,' my Nietzschean debater) and morally flexible is purposely blurry. The absence of an initial feeling of anger at injustice, abuse, etc is proportional to one's natural goodness, while the ability to override that feeling is a function of one's moral 'flexibility.' The absence of any qualms when witnessing things like child rape I would certainly attribute to the absence of any goodness whatever in the biological organism, yes. [/quote] Good and bad can't be certainties without GOD, the morality you speak of has no cornerstone. Injustice isn't to be decided by you and me because we aren't naturally good or bad, it is our free will (the ability to override feelings as you put it) that solidifies this. [/quote] Look at the Russian fox studies where they were bred for aggression or docility. That is a perfect example of how I view good and EVIL. From what I see the rabbis constructed 'heters' for seemingly every ruthless and violent person in Israel and made them their pet 'rasha,' allowing them to accrue enormous amounts of power and wealth over a terrified and ignorant populace. There are better people out there, which must in turn be evidence of better GODS. Better still, the absence of any god means that I don't have to care when people who as a group act maliciously and willfully ignorant get theirs at the hands of people who have no goodwill toward them to exploit and are as violent as they. Justice comes in a procedural way, or it comes in a chaotic way that touches everyone who prevented its milder appearance. I'm cool either way. [/quote] You contradict yourself, if justice is a static idea not to be disputed then there is no way multiple sources of morality exist. If there were multiple GODS, there would be multiple sources of morality and justice would be merely an opinion that you acknowledge others do not share with you. The idea that you see someone's opinion of justice as a standard of their morality suggests that you acknowledge an infallible judge, which none of us are, thus revealing a singular true GOD. The only other option would be to perceive justice as impossible entirely. [/quote] The death penalty evolves from human sacrifice; that's why crimes have a 'victim.' People get pissed when, for example, you steal their shit; justice only makes the violence which is a natural reaction procedural. The whole point of ethnicities, and therefore also gods, is to legitimize law as an already-existing practice. Where gods start to defend criminal behavior and become the concierge of the well-born and well-off, then the god and the civilization it represents are on their way out. This is why Zeus, etc are gone. If your god cannot provide justice, then what good is he? People lose their patience, and have their intelligence insulted and take the law into their own hands. Not my fault, but the fault of those who protected the culture's little babies and flouted the expectations of those they were supposed to rule. So justice does become impossible. Whatever. It was a good run. [/quote] It seems like you expect people to be perfect and when they aren't you label them as bad or discredit their good. Our justice system here on Earth can only be as good as the people, which unfortunately, are all flawed...which is why GOD must be the standard. The golden rule, an eye for an eye, judge not less ye be judged, do unto others etc...GOD doesn't defend criminal behavior, but I could see how someone might think that if they don't use GOD as the denominator. All things must be possible for you to have free will, since all things are possible, many lessons are learned. Duality isn't a prison but rather a window to your true self, good and bad can't exist without each other. [/quote] Okay, I'll ask you the same thing I asked another apologist: when Amnon raped Dinah, did what he did harm her body, her ego, or her soul? And when David failed to do what was right (remember: he was 'relieved' when Amnon got killed) how was Absalom the bad guy for suggesting David's reign had run its course? [/quote] Not that you asked me, but: 1. Presumably it could have harmed all three. We aren't told in the Torah and I can't remember is there is a Mishnah on this. 2. Because there is a Commandment that you aren't to question the king because the king was chosen by G-d, thus you are questioning G-d. [/quote] So this and a thousand other signs in the Torah, in the community it creates, and in all times and places where it has existed, says: God rejoices in the rape of the innocent. Good to know. [/quote] G-d never says that and I never implied that that was said. Why must you twist everything? Is it just to maintain your hate? [/quote] I must presume based on communal practice that it was one of the millions of things he whispered into Moses' ear. [/quote] You really don't want to play that game and it's probably why you are so confused and filled with that. Am I allowed to presume things about you? Because I can play that game and you won't like what I'm going to make up about you just so I can fain hate. [/quote]
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Islamtards have proof of their God, Hesustards have their idea. Neither exist outside of a book.
Show me proof your God exists outside the book. Then prove to me he is of your religion.
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