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A Serious Astrological Question for GLP: The Classical Elements & the Zodiac
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The question is if there is an actual historical citation in either Ptolemy, Manilius of Rome, or Dorotheus of Sidon specifically stating the element (Air, Water, Fire, or Earth) of the zodiacal triplicities.
The Wiki claims that both Manilius and Dorotheus hold to the following system. Except there is one huge problem. For the last several hours, I have searched deeply through both words and Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos and have yet to find a statement on the classical elements in relation to the zodiacal triplicies in any of them.
This is a huge problem. Where do they actually state this? I've searched and searched and have come up with nothing. Furthermore, I've read several authors who simply copy the assertion that Manilius and Dorotheus held to this system of zodiacal elements and none of them ever cite the actual work and place in which it supposedly comes.
Does anyone actually know where this idea comes from?
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
Western astrology the sequence is always Fire, Earth, Air, & Water in that exact order. This cycle continues on twice more and ends with the twelfth and final astrological sign, Pisces. The elemental rulerships for the twelve astrological signs of the zodiac (according to Marcus Manilius) are summarized as follows:
Fire — Aries, Leo, Sagittarius - hot, dry
Earth — Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn - cold, dry
Air — Gemini, Libra, Aquarius - hot, wet
Water — Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces - cold, wet
Rulerships
In traditional astrology, each triplicity has several planetary rulers, which change with conditions of sect—that is, whether the chart is a day chart or a night chart.
Triplicity rulerships are a very important essential dignity—one of the several factors used by traditional astrologers to weigh the strength, effectiveness and integrity of each planet in a chart. Many Hellenistic astrologers (for example, Dorotheus of Sidon[1]) considered triplicity rulership the most powerful and demonstrable of the several essential dignities of a planet.
Triplicity rulerships (using the "Dorothean system"[2]) are as follows:
Triplicity Day Ruler Night Ruler Participating Ruler
Fire (Aries, Leo, Sagittarius): Sun Jupiter Saturn
Earth (Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn): Venus Moon Mars
Air (Gemini, Libra, Aquarius): Saturn Mercury Jupiter
Water (Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces): Venus Mars Moon
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