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Why can't the Earth be modelled accurately on a flat map (Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate) if it was, itself, flat? https://geoawesomeness.com/best-map-projection/ Why can't you get the distances between cities worldwide to be modelled correctly on a flat map? How can there be direct flights between Africa, South America, and Australia on a flat map? The distances become far too great for flights that exist. Why are great Circle routes used in long-distance aircraft navigation? Why do Foucault pendulums precess? Why are all the other planets we can observe spheres? Why is the shadow of the Earth when the Moon is eclipsed a sphere? Why do constellations in the Southern Hemisphere circle a different point that the constellations in the Northern hemisphere on a flat Earth? Heck, why are there different Southern Constellations on a flat Earth? And lastly, because I've seen the curve, firsthand, when I used to fly. But I don't expect you to believe me. [/quote] Valid questions, ill look into most of them more. Compelling arguments here... But with my bias, ill leave a few counter points. Pilots do not account for curvature, many pilots have claimed the opposite if what you do. Perspective would be different from different vantage points. As far as ive learned, the map thats used for navigation is flat (I cant find it at the moment). NASA is lying... not sure if its to disguise a flat Earth, but can you comment on your perspective why NASA would be lying on such a large scale? I will dig a bit deeper into the questions you raised. Thanks for taking the time. [/quote] Here again: who needs NASA? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8cbIWMv0rI [/quote] Still researching and replying to your last reply... but watching this video now... but honestly, before i reply.. id like you to speculate on why NASA is lying... I get it. We dont need NASA to prove or disprove the shape of the Earth... you are correct. BUT - Why is NASA lying and faking? - [/quote] That's a different discussion. This thread is entitled "Earth - Flat or Globe - discussion". I am sticking to the subject at hand. NASA is irrelevant. [/quote] If you can't see that these topics are intimately related, then I have to assume malice on your part and wont bother giving a thought out reply to your questions.. Im here to find truth, the title of the thread is subject to that objective. Very foolish of you to claim that the title and purposed question are not related... and you dont seem a foolish person. What is your goal in your interaction with this thread? [/quote] Ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. My observations about the shape of the Earth do not require NASA as a source. Doubting NASA or its achievements (real or faked) is irrelevant to the veracity of the Globe Earth. I have detailed real-world observations that don't require NASA that demonstrate Earth as a globe. The veracity of NASA (or governments as a whole) is irrelevant to the question of the Earth's shape. You may use this as a means to ignore my points going forward: but the points stand. If you wish to discuss the veracity of NASA and its claims, I would think a different thread/title would be warranted. [/quote] Again, you dodge... NASA take billions in tax dollars and lies to us... fakes things that are proveably fakeries... and this is no cause for discussion for you? You are no fool.... You are committed to malice. I do not believe a word you say... you can kindly f off. [/quote] Again: ad hominem and poisoning the well noted. You use this merely as a way to dodge the irrefutable points I presented regarding the shape of the Earth, proofs that go back thousands of years, and demonstrate that the only dishonesty present is your own. You are, demonstrably, not interested in pursuing facts or being rational about the subject, you are interested in supporting a specific irrational narrative. A pity. But not a surprise. Have a nice day. [/quote] I did say that I would address all your points and I would have, many of which would take me several hours to confirm or deny... but you cant reply to something so intimately connected with all of this - NASA lying - Why? Why cant you make a comment on why they would take billions, hire actors, make fake sets to fool us all, and lie... but you want to use those same sources to prove your point... why would i waste my time humoring you? [/quote] Because it is an irrelevant distraction from seeking the truth. If NASA didn't exist at all, there would still be a ton of evidence that we live on a spherical Earth. If we had *never* been to space, it wouldn't change the observations I have pointed out. Those observations support a spinning globe, very predictably, with supporting observations that go back *thousands* of years. Bringing NASA into the discussion is the definition of a strawman: The data that demonstrates the globe Earth exists independently of the American Space Agency, parsimony suggests you get rid of the NASA discussion altogether, and stick with observations regarding hte shape of the Earth - *if* you are interested in getting to the truth of the matter. If you a merely interested in denigrating the American (and other) space programs, the shape of the Earth is irrelevant to such an endeavor. [/quote] NASA is funded in the BILLIONS! This is not irrelevant. Its relevant... Have an opinion... You seem so shy when having an opinion on certain matters, but others, you are gung ho You are allowed to have an opinion. I give you permission. I want to hear what you say. [/quote] Getting off topic: NASA's percentage of the Federal dollar is one-half of one percent. It is a drop in the Federal bucket. Again, NASA is a distraction if we want to discuss the shape of the Earth. My pro- or anti- NASA stance doesn't change the facts I presented about the shape of the Earth. [/quote]
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Besides the usual, "obviously its a sphere, idiot" rhetoric. Let's discuss the merits of both models, using actual evidence and counter evidence.
Im perfectly fine to believe either, as long as it is the truth.
First and foremost, all supposed pictures of the Earth of space, are admittedly (by those that created the images) photoshopped. Lets start here and see where we go.
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