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March 1 (Bloomberg) --

While the eyes of the world focus on Greece’s debt crisis, investors in Edinburgh are busy preparing for the U.K. to be next.

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Turcan Connell, which caters to rich families, expects the pound to lose between 20 percent and 30 percent against the dollar once investors turn their sights on Britain as the government sells a record amount of debt. Concern that Greece won’t be able to cut its budget deficit helped send the euro 5 percent lower against the dollar this year.

“Alarm bells were ringing in Greece for a long time and when it happened, it happened very quickly,” Haig Bathgate, head of strategy at Turcan Connell, said at the company’s offices in the Scottish capital. “The U.K. is in a similar predicament. It could be hit very hard.”

Money managers in Edinburgh, where investment decisions have been made on behalf of insurers, pensioners and the wealthy for two centuries, are maneuvering to protect assets from the U.K. economy as it limps out of its worst recession on record.

Bruce Stout, whose Murray International Trust Plc in Edinburgh has doubled over the past five years, said the chance of a plummeting pound are “better than even” and his biggest holdings are in Asia and Latin America. He called sterling a “very vulnerable currency.”

U.K. fund managers at Aegon Asset Management and Scottish Widows Investment Partnership, together responsible for more than 30 billion pounds ($45 billion), said in January they are buying companies that do the bulk of their business abroad.

‘Very Dire’

“When there’s a fiscal crisis, the markets tend to punish that country very quickly,” said Bathgate, who is responsible for 560 million pounds. “I don’t think Britain is in nearly as bad a position as Greece. We’ve got a good taxation system, however the position of the economy is very dire.”

The U.K.’s budget deficit is roughly the same as Greece’s, both exceeding 12 percent of economic output. Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s said last week they may cut Greece’s credit rating as the five-month-old government struggles to curb spending and control its debt.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s government in December increased its planned gilt sales for the financial year ending this month to a record 225.1 billion pounds from the 220 billion pounds announced in April. Moody’s Investors Service said in December the U.K. may “test the Aaa boundaries.”

Brown must call an election by June and some polls signal that no party will emerge with a clear majority.

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A so-called hung parliament or signs retail sales and economic growth aren’t recovering as expected might be the catalysts for the pound to accelerate declines, Bathgate said. The Office for National Statistics last week revised up the rate of economic growth for the fourth quarter to 0.3 percent from a previous estimate of 0.1 percent.

“There could be a number of triggers,” he said. “If there’s indecision about how you deal with a problem, that’s when things start to fall apart. We could be in the position where the spotlight turns to the U.K.”

The pound may fall below parity with the euro and drop to the lowest level against the dollar since the mid-1980s should the U.K. cut spending too quickly, Mansoor Mohi-Uddin, chief currency strategist at UBS AG, said in a Feb. 24 report.

Sterling slid to a nine-month nadir against the dollar last week, trading at $1.52. Zurich-based UBS, the world’s second- biggest currency trader, predicted it could fall “quickly back” to $1.05 or below.

‘Devalue the Currency’

The pound may come under further pressure with the Bank of England resuming its quantitative-easing program, a process of injecting new money into the economy, within the next three to four months, Bathgate said. Policy maker Adam Posen said Feb. 24 the central bank may expand the 200 billion-pound asset-purchase plan should the economic recovery prove weaker than expected.

“If it comes back then we’re likely to be the only people doing that in the world at that time,” said Bathgate. “My strong view is the government is trying to create inflation and devalue the currency.”

Bathgate said he sold conventional U.K. government-bond investments at the end of 2008 and only holds index-linked securities because of concern inflation may accelerate.

The firm also has reduced holdings in corporate bonds because of the potential “knock-on impact” from a decline in government securities.

The yield on the benchmark 10-year gilt dropped 24 basis points to 4.03 percent last week. The yield on Greek 10-year bonds fell 6 points to 6.39 percent. German bunds, the region’s benchmark debt, declined 18 points to 3.10 percent.

Turcan Connell, whose clients typically have at least 5 million pounds to invest, was founded in 1998 and oversees about 1 billion pounds in total. Bathgate is responsible for allocating money to different funds, and half is currently in stocks portfolios with 30 percent in hedge funds and other so- called alternative investments.

To contact the reporter on this story: Rodney Jefferson in Edinburgh at [email protected]

Last Updated: February 28, 2010 19:01 EST
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Re: Pound to lose 20 to 30% against Dollar
bump
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jesus.
Water always wins. :sun:
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it's coming people..

financial meltdown 2.0

followed by wwIII

stock up and

get your adult diapers
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Then the BBC can run stories about how great the British economy is when the foreigners come in and buy them up.
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Ok UK, Vat have you zo offa zo us Zermans venn ve save your sorry butz wiz our hard eurozz?
Give uzz your shores andz your beachzes, andz Heazrow airport to start witz...
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Hmmm, jim rodgers said last week this would happen. Hmmm, is this another ploy in some way.
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What can we buy in pounds besides overpriced british houses?
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Strong dolla !

Mmmm! Mmmm! Mmmm!
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jesus.
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I sense the pigs running to the trough.
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Lemme see if I got this, I pay you a dollar and I can lose 20-30 pounds? This is better than Jenny Craig if true!
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When the dollar strengthens the stock market and economy crash. Kinda like in 08'.

I believe we are on the cusp of a serious de-flation cycle.
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What can we buy in pounds besides overpriced british houses?
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Scotch?
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Good fucking deal!I'm tired of traveling the world and the European money is worth twice of what the U.S. dollar is worth.When bush took office the Euro was .78 cents 4 years later $1.26 for a Euro.
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it's coming people..

financial meltdown 2.0

followed by wwIII

stock up and

get your adult diapers
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Wait until the dollar strengthens before buying survival gear.
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When the dollar strengthens the stock market and economy crash. Kinda like in 08'.

I believe we are on the cusp of a serious de-flation cycle.
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And real-estate will skyrocket.
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Lemme see if I got this, I pay you a dollar and I can lose 20-30 pounds? This is better than Jenny Craig if true!
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Damn I like that shit.I was taught pay to play. 895204 for PRESIDENT.
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Verst zee EURO oond zen zee verld (YEA VAVVYyyyy)


Ok UK, Vat have you zo offa zo us Zermans venn ve save your sorry butz wiz our hard eurozz?
Give uzz your shores andz your beachzes, andz Heazrow airport to start witz...
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Verst zee EURO oond zen zee verld (YEA VAVVYyyyy)



Ok UK, Vat have you zo offa zo us Zermans venn ve save your sorry butz wiz our hard eurozz?
Give uzz your shores andz your beachzes, andz Heazrow airport to start witz...

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Gott mit uns
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Verst zee EURO oond zen zee verld (YEA VAVVYyyyy)



Ok UK, Vat have you zo offa zo us Zermans venn ve save your sorry butz wiz our hard eurozz?
Give uzz your shores andz your beachzes, andz Heazrow airport to start witz...

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'lol
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Hmmm, jim rodgers said last week this would happen. Hmmm, is this another ploy in some way.
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Wasn't he saying last year that the dollar was going to lose 30% of its value? He needs to make up his damn mind!!
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Good fucking deal!I'm tired of traveling the world and the European money is worth twice of what the U.S. dollar is worth.When bush took office the Euro was .78 cents 4 years later $1.26 for a Euro.
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odd that a 'world traveller' would be such a simpleton to believe that a president has ANY FUCKING THING to do with the value of the country's currency
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Then the BBC can run stories about how great the British economy is when the foreigners come in and buy them up.
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Yeah, BBC will run stories for months about how the Solomon Brothers' Building (WTC7) fell down before it fell down.

Toni Blair is a NEOCON poisonous bastard!

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Good fucking deal!I'm tired of traveling the world and the European money is worth twice of what the U.S. dollar is worth.When bush took office the Euro was .78 cents 4 years later $1.26 for a Euro.


odd that a 'world traveller' would be such a simpleton to believe that a president has ANY FUCKING THING to do with the value of the country's currency
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Oh, but the president can. Fiat currencies are based on FAITH. If the sitting president does something that makes people believe the country is in for rough times, pray tell how that will not have a negative effect on the currency? hmm like wars maybe?
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that means you could go to england and be richer!
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Hmmm, jim rodgers said last week this would happen.
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Yup:

Thread: Jim Rogers: British Pound could collapse within weeks

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I get a bad feeling about the euro and the Pound.

The euro more.

is anyone noticing something funny with the market today ??

Asia sure is acting funny, take a look => [link to forecastfortomorrow.com]
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Guess I wont see many Brits at Disney World next year.
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BTW, thanks for the PIN

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and this is very interesting. . .

Thread: ***RED ALERT*** Jimmydoomsday gave me his 2010 & 2011 financial PREDICTIONS!!!

A friend of mine that goes by the name of jimmydoomsday who had a blog and made unbelieveable predictions from 2005 to 2009 just email me his 2010 and 11 prediction:

With no war or major terrorist attack, these are my predictions:

Next few weeks, sovereign debt crisis takes over Europe

Big money flows into US treasuries, pushing yields to all time lows – fake safe haven

End of spring 2010, housing will start a substantial decline similar to the 07/08 decline as government purchases of mortgage back securities end (totaling $1.4 trillion) (March) along with tax credit (April), and banks holding phantom inventory start to unload onto the market

DOW to fall below 7,000 by Q3 2010,

Dollar will rise above 95 on the dollar index

Gold will fall below $800 by Q3 2010

Silver will fall below $10 by Q3 2010

CA debt implosion will start to develop by summer and hit crisis mode by Q4 2010

Dollar index will plunge below 60 in Q4 2010

Commercial real estate will hit crisis mode by Q4 2010

Over 35 states will be bailed out in Q4 2010 by the US tax payer

End of Q4 2010 gold will hit $1,600 and silver jump to $35 an oz

Q1 2011 long term treasury bonds will implode

Q1 2011 US credit rating stripped of triple A status

Q1 2011 oil surges pass $150 a barrel

Q4 2011 dollar index will bottom at 25

Q4 2011 gold will reach $10,000 an oz and silver will hit $500 an oz

DOW will reach 18,000 by Q4 2011 as money flows out of bonds and into stocks

Products that normally require loans for purchases will decline substantially (cars, homes, etc…) while things like food, clothes, etc… will rise substantially

Jimmydoomsday, from the cave!
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Jimmydoomsday is a RETARD. He had that countdown to the dollar collapse on his website and it NEVER happened. Has he gotten any predictions right that a monkey couldn't as well? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!!!! bsflag





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