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Debate on Jobs Bill in U.S. House--Is It About Jobs or Not?

 
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.
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True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?
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Oh, Please.

The bill was posted at 9:30 on the Internet.

The time allotted now in the House if for Discussion.

No one is assuming the bill will be passed today, just DISCUSSED today.

They are just asking people (Congressmen, especially) to get busy doing their jobs, reading the bill and talking about it. Instead they'd rather complain about how the other side introduced it, etc. Picking and finding fault.

A big waste of the people's time.

Instead of doing that they act like elementary school kids who would rather not read and just talk and criticize others in order to avoid doing any work.

They talk more about each others' tactics than they do about the contents of the bill.

Just sayin.'

House Rules which the House has passed, dictate that any given piece of legislation and amendments be online for the public to read for a couple of days, not a couple of hours.

All some is saying is "we have this rule which is law, it is time we upheld the rule and followed the law we set down."

The People want Congress accountable to the People to obey its own rules and laws.



That's fine. No one is saying not to follow the rules. But why do they have to debate this point, instead of the contents of the bill? Especially as debate has just started. No one is expecting the bill to be passed today. Why are the Republicans implying that they are?

Because they are mean-spirited and partisan. They are just sorry they didn't come up with the bill themselves.
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>>No, they are making sure that it does not just get rammed through without an in-depth discussion.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?
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>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

“But make no mistake, BP is operating at our direction...” -Barry Obammy
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A big waste of the people's time.

Instead of just reading and talking about the bill, they act like elementary school kids who would rather not read and just talk and criticize others in order to avoid doing any work.

They talk more about each others' tactics than they do about the contents of the bill.

Just sayin.'

I fully agree, spend the damned time READING OUT LOUD the fracking Bill and its amendments... and cut out all this bullshit complaining and just do that, READ the bill out loud.

It really needs to be done with every single bill.

More and more of The People are now watching both the House and Senate floor debates and votes on C-Span than every before, and we the People simply want these frackers to read the fracking bills out loud.
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I agree. This would be an advance for the People and for the House. They could read it aloud and then discuss what the meanings are. The bills are too complicated to expect anyone to read it and comprehend it alone, even if they are Congressmen.

Thank you, AC, this is a great suggestion. I hope you will send a letter to your Congressperson suggesting it, since you thought of it.
Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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That's fine. No one is saying not to follow the rules. But why do they have to debate this point, instead of the contents of the bill? Especially as debate has just started. No one is expecting the bill to be passed today. Why are the Republicans implying that they are?

Because they are mean-spirited and partisan. They are just sorry they didn't come up with the bill themselves.
 Quoting: New Eve

That is my barb... just read the fracking bill out loud then get busy debating its contents.. I am so pissed at the sophmoric, nay, 1st grade, playground tactics that both the Repuks and the Demons are using today.
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?


>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.
 Quoting: Sinanju2

50 Checks from 50 States per month, should be a pretty small 'office' to process that.. perhaps I could be hired to be that agency... lol

Yet, it would still need a name. lol
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Oh, Please.

The bill was posted at 9:30 on the Internet.

The time allotted now in the House if for Discussion.

No one is assuming the bill will be passed today, just DISCUSSED today.

They are just asking people (Congressmen, especially) to get busy doing their jobs, reading the bill and talking about it. Instead they'd rather complain about how the other side introduced it, etc. Picking and finding fault.

A big waste of the people's time.

Instead of doing that they act like elementary school kids who would rather not read and just talk and criticize others in order to avoid doing any work.

They talk more about each others' tactics than they do about the contents of the bill.

Just sayin.'

House Rules which the House has passed, dictate that any given piece of legislation and amendments be online for the public to read for a couple of days, not a couple of hours.

All some is saying is "we have this rule which is law, it is time we upheld the rule and followed the law we set down."

The People want Congress accountable to the People to obey its own rules and laws.



That's fine. No one is saying not to follow the rules. But why do they have to debate this point, instead of the contents of the bill? Especially as debate has just started. No one is expecting the bill to be passed today. Why are the Republicans implying that they are?

Because they are mean-spirited and partisan. They are just sorry they didn't come up with the bill themselves.


>>No, they are making sure that it does not just get rammed through without an in-depth discussion.

The question is, without a change in the orientation of the debate, will it ever get read and discussed, or will they just continue with this META-TALK, and then get so disgusted and fed up they just give up?

They spend too much time on unproductive debate, maybe not any one of their faults but just they need a change to the way they do business, i.e., read the bill out loud and then "learn" the bill before they start debate.
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Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?


>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.

50 Checks from 50 States per month, should be a pretty small 'office' to process that.. perhaps I could be hired to be that agency... lol

Yet, it would still need a name. lol
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>>The Treasury Department.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

“But make no mistake, BP is operating at our direction...” -Barry Obammy
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I agree. This would be an advance for the People and for the House. They could read it aloud and then discuss what the meanings are. The bills are too complicated to expect anyone to read it and comprehend it alone, even if they are Congressmen.
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Thank you, AC, this is a great suggestion. I hope you will send a letter to your Congressperson suggesting it, since you thought of it.
 Quoting: New Eve

Especially for the U.S. House, which is supposed to be The Peoples' House (while originally the U.S. Senate was the States' House).

FWIW, I have every single year for the past 20 years sent such a letter to my House Reps and my Senators. Ah, but I am one voice out of 650,000 for my House rep and one voice of about 1.5 Million for my Senators.
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?


>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.

50 Checks from 50 States per month, should be a pretty small 'office' to process that.. perhaps I could be hired to be that agency... lol

Yet, it would still need a name. lol


>>The Treasury Department.
 Quoting: Sinanju2

Exactly. And the Federal Reserve System, and its 13 Banks, also be nationalized and become merely a part of the U.S. Treasury.
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Vote for the HR 1137 coming up within 25 minutes.. So, there will apparently have been next to no debate on the contents of this bill.
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That's fine. No one is saying not to follow the rules. But why do they have to debate this point, instead of the contents of the bill? Especially as debate has just started. No one is expecting the bill to be passed today. Why are the Republicans implying that they are?

Because they are mean-spirited and partisan. They are just sorry they didn't come up with the bill themselves.

That is my barb... just read the fracking bill out loud then get busy debating its contents.. I am so pissed at the sophmoric, nay, 1st grade, playground tactics that both the Repuks and the Demons are using today.
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I agree, AC, we should really send letters to them expressing our OUTRAGE. It is just ridiculous.
Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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If the final up/down vote on HR 1137 is taken within the hour that will mean the amendment in question will have been posted online for only 3 hours for the public to read and reflect on and contact their House Rep. with their input and thoughts.

This is PANIC Legislating.
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I agree. This would be an advance for the People and for the House. They could read it aloud and then discuss what the meanings are. The bills are too complicated to expect anyone to read it and comprehend it alone, even if they are Congressmen.
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Thank you, AC, this is a great suggestion. I hope you will send a letter to your Congressperson suggesting it, since you thought of it.

Especially for the U.S. House, which is supposed to be The Peoples' House (while originally the U.S. Senate was the States' House).

FWIW, I have every single year for the past 20 years sent such a letter to my House Reps and my Senators. Ah, but I am one voice out of 650,000 for my House rep and one voice of about 1.5 Million for my Senators.
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Don't give up, AC. Be a little light in a storm. You never know, this could eventually change. Thanks for your ideas.
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?


>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.

50 Checks from 50 States per month, should be a pretty small 'office' to process that.. perhaps I could be hired to be that agency... lol

Yet, it would still need a name. lol


>>The Treasury Department.

Exactly. And the Federal Reserve System, and its 13 Banks, also be nationalized and become merely a part of the U.S. Treasury.
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>>That is one course of action... though I am leaning towards defaulting on ALL debt and instituting a gold standard....

Either way, both are good ideas.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

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Vote for the HR 1137 coming up within 25 minutes.. So, there will apparently have been next to no debate on the contents of this bill.
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>>Not according to New Eve... that idiot thinks they aren't going to vote on this today and the republicans are just being evil for asking for a chance to read it.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

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If the final up/down vote on HR 1137 is taken within the hour that will mean the amendment in question will have been posted online for only 3 hours for the public to read and reflect on and contact their House Rep. with their input and thoughts.

This is PANIC Legislating.
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This is true. Let's watch and see what happens. If it does pass, won't that be some kind of historic change?

Or have they been passing a lot of things really fast lately? Those of you who have been watching these things can tell us.

I just started myself.
Jesus said "I am this Perfect Day and in me lives the Light that does not fail.............." -- Gospel of Thomas
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That's fine. No one is saying not to follow the rules. But why do they have to debate this point, instead of the contents of the bill? Especially as debate has just started. No one is expecting the bill to be passed today. Why are the Republicans implying that they are?

Because they are mean-spirited and partisan. They are just sorry they didn't come up with the bill themselves.

That is my barb... just read the fracking bill out loud then get busy debating its contents.. I am so pissed at the sophmoric, nay, 1st grade, playground tactics that both the Repuks and the Demons are using today.



I agree, AC, we should really send letters to them expressing our OUTRAGE. It is just ridiculous.
 Quoting: New Eve

NewEve, I am watching this all unfold at the minute by minute on C-Span-1, and this process is beyond ridiculous.

3 Votes coming up on this Bill and its amendments.
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If we close down the IRS, who will we pay the Fair Tax to?


>>State governments. Most already collect sales tax.

True enough but then Who collects the federal sales tax from the States?


>>All the Federal Government needs is a Post Office box or at MOST a single office with a few clerks.

50 Checks from 50 States per month, should be a pretty small 'office' to process that.. perhaps I could be hired to be that agency... lol

Yet, it would still need a name. lol


>>The Treasury Department.
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I like it.
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Sinanju,

Namecalling does not really become you.

Apologies will be graciously accepted, or you can just leave my thread, thank you.

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Exactly. And the Federal Reserve System, and its 13 Banks, also be nationalized and become merely a part of the U.S. Treasury.


>>That is one course of action... though I am leaning towards defaulting on ALL debt and instituting a gold standard....

Either way, both are good ideas.
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Gold AND Silver.. don't crucify me on a cross of Gold.
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If the final up/down vote on HR 1137 is taken within the hour that will mean the amendment in question will have been posted online for only 3 hours for the public to read and reflect on and contact their House Rep. with their input and thoughts.

This is PANIC Legislating.



This is true. Let's watch and see what happens. If it does pass, won't that be some kind of historic change?

Or have they been passing a lot of things really fast lately? Those of you who have been watching these things can tell us.

I just started myself.
 Quoting: New Eve

This sort of panic legislation (at least the current flood) started with the Bank Bailout Bill back during the Bush administration and has continued at a more rapid pace under the Obama administation.

Of course nearly 93% of the former Congress was re-elected back into office, so we should not have expected anything much to change with a change in Presidents.
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Repubs always waste time talking about how they don't have enough time.
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Repubs always waste time talking about how they don't have enough time.
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LOL - bump
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Sinanju,

Namecalling does not really become you.

Apologies will be graciously accepted, or you can just leave my thread, thank you.
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>>Fuck off, libtard.
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the 1st Procedual vote is now going one.
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Exactly. And the Federal Reserve System, and its 13 Banks, also be nationalized and become merely a part of the U.S. Treasury.


>>That is one course of action... though I am leaning towards defaulting on ALL debt and instituting a gold standard....

Either way, both are good ideas.

Gold AND Silver.. don't crucify me on a cross of Gold.
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>>Well, by 'gold standard' I meant precious metals.... from Rhodium to Copper.

I should have explained in more depth.
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot

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If the final up/down vote on HR 1137 is taken within the hour that will mean the amendment in question will have been posted online for only 3 hours for the public to read and reflect on and contact their House Rep. with their input and thoughts.

This is PANIC Legislating.



This is true. Let's watch and see what happens. If it does pass, won't that be some kind of historic change?

Or have they been passing a lot of things really fast lately? Those of you who have been watching these things can tell us.

I just started myself.

This sort of panic legislation (at least the current flood) started with the Bank Bailout Bill back during the Bush administration and has continued at a more rapid pace under the Obama administation.

Of course nearly 93% of the former Congress was re-elected back into office, so we should not have expected anything much to change with a change in Presidents.
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This is indeed a disturbing trend. It could be that all this legislating is just making everything worse.
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Sinanju,

Namecalling does not really become you.

Apologies will be graciously accepted, or you can just leave my thread, thank you.


>>Fuck off, libtard.
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