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Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde

 
Anonymous Coward
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03/16/2010 11:09 AM
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Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
does it exist?

formaldehyde is used to make the free base form of nicotine.

much more addictive

much more effective

even works on your kids.

it's a second hand addictive chemical and first hand its the most addictive. like crack to cocaine, freebase nicotine is more powerful.

your government knows about the manipulation of tobacco, why do they allow it? Is the tobacco lobby money that much better than the cost that they don't have to bear themselves? OBviously.

Have a nice vacation mr senator.
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03/16/2010 12:17 PM
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.
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03/16/2010 12:18 PM
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yup.
american spirit.

good stuff.
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03/16/2010 12:19 PM
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.
 Quoting: Riker


You couldn't be more wrong. Chemical tests on American Spirit show it to be the HIGHEST concentration of freebase nicotine of all major brands.

Natural, no additives, sure - but it is treated with formaldehyde to turn the nicotine into it's more effective addictive free base form.

American Spirit measured 36% crack nicotine.
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.
 Quoting: Riker


They're still FSC. Which is worst of all.

Grow your own. Roll your own. Everything on the market seems to be adulterated in one fashion or another.
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03/16/2010 12:22 PM
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[link to www.accessmylibrary.com]
"

Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Co's image was put in jeopardy in July when a researcher announced that its Natural American Spirit cigarettes had the highest incidence of 'free-base' nicotine among brands he tested.

"We found big differences in the percentages of free-base nicotine among 11 commercial cigarette brands," said James F. Pankow, professor of environmental and biomolecular systems at Oregon Health and Science University.

Measurements ranged from about 1% free-base nicotine in the first few puffs of a reference cigarette to 36% for Natural American Spirit, Prof Pankow said. By comparison, Marlboro, the leading US brand, contained about 10% free-base …
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American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.


You couldn't be more wrong. Chemical tests on American Spirit show it to be the HIGHEST concentration of freebase nicotine of all major brands.

Natural, no additives, sure - but it is treated with formaldehyde to turn the nicotine into it's more effective addictive free base form.

American Spirit measured 36% crack nicotine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911364


WRONG.

There are "natural" versions of american spirit cigarettes, and then there are "organic" versions.

Did they test the ORGANIC versions? formaldehyde IS an additive.
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American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.


They're still FSC. Which is worst of all.

Grow your own. Roll your own. Everything on the market seems to be adulterated in one fashion or another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713455


FSC?
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit - even the red pouch of organically grown stuff still has nicotine in it.

American spirit is all natural & additive three though.

------- But:

Look into Nicotina Glauca, it is the one without nicotine in it.

Latin Name: Nicotiana glauca
Common Name: Tree Tabacco

Smoking the leaves of the nicotiana glauca plant have been said to curb addictions as strong as heroine on top of being somewhat hallucinogenic.

Studies are ongoing at this time.

The effects of the plant seem to satisfy the mental and physical craving while also deminishing the physical addictions of some addicts.

Studies of Nicotiana to be used as a treatment for nicotine addiction since it does not contain nicotine are ongoing.

Nicotiana glauca's active ingredient is anabasine--an alkaloid similar to nicotine.


Check out the online smokeshops like basement shaman, iamshaman, seekershop, etc.
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03/16/2010 12:27 PM
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FSC?
 Quoting: Riker


Thread: FSC Cigarettes
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03/16/2010 12:30 PM
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They are ALL pushed by the same folks.

"The makers of American Spirit, Santa Fe Natural Tobacco Company, is owned by R.J. Reynolds, the world’s second largest tobacco company (behind Philip Morris), which also owns Camel, Winston, Salem, Kool, Pall Mall, other cigarette brands. Santa Fe operates as a wholly owned, independent subsidiary of RJR."

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03/16/2010 12:31 PM
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit - even the red pouch of organically grown stuff still has nicotine in it.

American spirit is all natural & additive three though.

------- But:

Look into Nicotina Glauca, it is the one without nicotine in it.

Latin Name: Nicotiana glauca
Common Name: Tree Tabacco

Smoking the leaves of the nicotiana glauca plant have been said to curb addictions as strong as heroine on top of being somewhat hallucinogenic.

Studies are ongoing at this time.

The effects of the plant seem to satisfy the mental and physical craving while also deminishing the physical addictions of some addicts.

Studies of Nicotiana to be used as a treatment for nicotine addiction since it does not contain nicotine are ongoing.

Nicotiana glauca's active ingredient is anabasine--an alkaloid similar to nicotine.


Check out the online smokeshops like basement shaman, iamshaman, seekershop, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325890


thanks AC.

BTW, a modifier doesn't need to be listed as an additive. It doesn't remain in the finished product. 36% of the nicotine in American Spirit is existing in a different electronic state. It's been modified, not added to.
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[link to www.jpost.com]

Bill may ban addictive tobacco products
By JUDY SIEGEL-ITZKOVICH
16/03/2010 06:49

MK Hasson seeks to filter out dependency-causing ingredients such as nicotine.
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Kadima MK Yoel Hasson tabled a private member’s bill on Monday that, if passed, would be the world’s first law barring the sale of tobacco products containing addictive substances such as nicotine, or other substances, such as menthol and ammonia, that make nicotine more addictive, The Jerusalem Post has learned.

If tobacco were not addictive, the smoking rate would quickly decline (from the present 23 percent). People already addicted to nicotine who felt the need for it would be able to get it through other “delivery systems,” such as nicotine chewing gum, skin patches and other forms, but not through tobacco, the bill states.

Hasson’s bill is due to go to the Ministerial Committee on Legislation to get the go-ahead. The Health Ministry has reportedly not yet discussed the issue and whether to endorse it.

The idea of tobacco without addictive or addiction-promoting substances was first proposed in 2000 by Amos Hausner, a veteran Jerusalem lawyer and head of the Israel Council for the Prevention of Smoking, during a session of the Gillon Committee hearings on how to reduce the prevalence of smoking.

Hasson, who is chairman of the Knesset State Control Committee, was a partner with Likud MK Gilad Erdan in initiating the 2007 law that put major responsibility for anti-smoking enforcement on the owners and managers of public places (in addition to municipal inspectors), and significantly increased fines against violators.


Hausner told the Post on Monday that Hasson’s bill was “revolutionary” in smoking prevention and cessation.

“Most new smokers are youngsters who smoke fewer than 100 and already get addicted. We want to prevent them from starting to smoke. At present, it is not illegal for children to smoke – it’s only illegal to sell them tobacco. Today, consumers have no [option] of smoking cigarettes that are not addictive. They are harmful without the nicotine and can harm others by exposing them to smoke, but with such a law, they will at least not be addictive,” Hausner explained.

The bill would allow a two-year delay for companies to prepare and for addicted smokers to assuage their nicotine addiction with replacement products.

Hasson noted that smoking causes the death of some 10,000 Israelis each year. This figure is more than the total number of victims of road accidents, war, terror and crime. Tobacco addiction, thanks to its nicotine content, has often been compared to addiction to hard drugs, including cocaine and heroin, the sale of which is illegal. Thus, under the bill, substances in tobacco products that cause addiction would be illegal as well."
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03/16/2010 01:13 PM
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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
I love when addicts try to use the old
"mine is natural" argument.

Are ya that fucking hooked?
Your using the "natural" argument as you suck smoke directly into your lungs and breath it out into a room .
Does that seem fucking natural to you?
Step outside your addiction for a minute .
Riker

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03/16/2010 01:29 PM
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I love when addicts try to use the old
"mine is natural" argument.

Are ya that fucking hooked?
Your using the "natural" argument as you suck smoke directly into your lungs and breath it out into a room .
Does that seem fucking natural to you?
Step outside your addiction for a minute .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 895602


Hey retard, there are differences just like there are in processed/GMO vs organic food.
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Riker

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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit - even the red pouch of organically grown stuff still has nicotine in it.

American spirit is all natural & additive three though.

------- But:

Look into Nicotina Glauca, it is the one without nicotine in it.

Latin Name: Nicotiana glauca
Common Name: Tree Tabacco

Smoking the leaves of the nicotiana glauca plant have been said to curb addictions as strong as heroine on top of being somewhat hallucinogenic.

Studies are ongoing at this time.

The effects of the plant seem to satisfy the mental and physical craving while also deminishing the physical addictions of some addicts.

Studies of Nicotiana to be used as a treatment for nicotine addiction since it does not contain nicotine are ongoing.

Nicotiana glauca's active ingredient is anabasine--an alkaloid similar to nicotine.


Check out the online smokeshops like basement shaman, iamshaman, seekershop, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 325890



There's nothing wrong with nicotine. It's the other crap that's bad for you.

Do you find it suspicious that the same people saying nicotine is bad for you are pushing sugar, fluoride and GMO's on you?
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Riker

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Re: Tobacco without Nicotine or Formaldehyde
American Spirit cigs - organically grown and no additives.


They're still FSC. Which is worst of all.

Grow your own. Roll your own. Everything on the market seems to be adulterated in one fashion or another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 713455


They're not FSC. Just looked into it. It depends on the state they are sold in.

Also, natural cigs or rolled cigs will go out on their own. The cigs that don't have additives including gunpowder to make them burn faster and stay lit.
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Plp

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I'm going to call them and ask if organic cigarettes contain free-base nicotine.
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I'm going to call them and ask if organic cigarettes contain free-base nicotine.
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What did they say?





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