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Serious KARMA question

 
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Ok, i'm a pretty big believer in karma - for myself anyway - I have learned to change negative thoughts and actions into positive because, well, I always notice 'reaping' the consequences of negative thoughts and actions.

BUT

I saved a grasshopper from drowning in the creek the other day and am now wondering:

The chances of me seeing and helping it were pretty low - just accidentally saw ripples, looked closer and saved the little hopper.

Was I supposed to save it or let nature take it's course without putting 'what I want' into the picture and changing the course of events?

Does my action mean:

1. To balance, another creature has to drown?
2. To balance, someone I know has to drown?
3. To balance, I must drown?
4. To balance, another creature has to save me from drowning?
5. To balance, I must 'let' something drown?

I'm not that worried, but how the heck does 'karma' balance all the variables???

Serious question, anyone?
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You created good karma by saving the grasshopper. That's as much as I know.
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Is a grass hopper a sentient being? If you believed you saved the life of a sentient being then you should get a good Karmic effect from your action.
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were giving you good karma for that action
thinking of something cool to say...
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Very good Grasshoppa chuckle

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BTW, I think what the karma would be is if you knowingly killed the grasshopper then you would suffer karmic effects in this or some future life.

So if you kill somebody in this life, then in some future life you will die at a young age or not live a full life. It really doesn't have anything to do with anyone else but you.

That is want Ven. Choyki says anyway.
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It was pretty cute, when I picked it up and popped it on my shorts in a dry spot to travel back to shore (in a makeshift raft) it just started to clean itself, wiping itself down with it's front legs/arms, flapped it's wings a bit to shake some water off, and then just sat there, calm as can be, cleaning itself slowly.

Once back to shore I popped it on a leaf hanging from a tree and it climbed up so it could be in sunlight.

It's only a grasshopper, but you could just sense it was somewhat thankful - it was swimming so hard to stay afloat in the water.
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You did good!
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OP, um you do realize that a fish probably died because it was the crickets destiny to feed it right? Poor starving fish. Good luck in hell asshole!
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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BTW, I think what the karma would be is if you knowingly killed the grasshopper then you would suffer karmic effects in this or some future life.

So if you kill somebody in this life, then in some future life you will die at a young age or not live a full life. It really doesn't have anything to do with anyone else but you.

That is want Ven. Choyki says anyway.
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That is so unfair. I've knowingly killed TONS of Ants and Cokroaches. I also DID step on a grasshopper once. Not really deliberately---it "got in the way."
Does that mean I will suffer in my next lifetime???
All Plant is also "alive." Am I suffering for that, too??? Sheesh.
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BTW, I think what the karma would be is if you knowingly killed the grasshopper then you would suffer karmic effects in this or some future life.

So if you kill somebody in this life, then in some future life you will die at a young age or not live a full life. It really doesn't have anything to do with anyone else but you.

That is want Ven. Choyki says anyway.


That is so unfair. I've knowingly killed TONS of Ants and Cokroaches. I also DID step on a grasshopper once. Not really deliberately---it "got in the way."
Does that mean I will suffer in my next lifetime???
All Plant is also "alive." Am I suffering for that, too??? Sheesh.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 777204


Don't you hear the screaming every time you have a salad?
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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karma, like death, does not exist.

just more control lies.
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OP, um you do realize that a fish probably died because it was the crickets destiny to feed it right? Poor starving fish. Good luck in hell asshole!
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Funny, that is also what I thought.

As soon as I picked it up I wondered if there was a fish doing a 'Jaws' type move to eat it.

Poor fish "hey, where'd lunch go... i'm soo hungry" :)

I wish all animals could survive easily, but then also figure the planet would be massively over-populated by humans and animals.

Also, what purpose do fleas, parasites, mosquitoes, etc serve?

I hate being bitten, and try to get fleas and ticks off my cats and dogs, but I suppose the fleas and ticks are hungry too.

I saw a doco on a mosquito outbreak and millions stung a single cow and literally drained every drop of blood from the cow - stung it's eyes as well.

Nature really is a dog-eat-dog world.
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OP, um you do realize that a fish probably died because it was the crickets destiny to feed it right? Poor starving fish. Good luck in hell asshole!


Funny, that is also what I thought.

As soon as I picked it up I wondered if there was a fish doing a 'Jaws' type move to eat it.

Poor fish "hey, where'd lunch go... i'm soo hungry" :)

I wish all animals could survive easily, but then also figure the planet would be massively over-populated by humans and animals.

Also, what purpose do fleas, parasites, mosquitoes, etc serve?

I hate being bitten, and try to get fleas and ticks off my cats and dogs, but I suppose the fleas and ticks are hungry too.

I saw a doco on a mosquito outbreak and millions stung a single cow and literally drained every drop of blood from the cow - stung it's eyes as well.

Nature really is a dog-eat-dog world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917770


When I meet God my first question is going to be why he made mosquitoes... I may have to ask real fast though, depends on when the next bus to hell takes off...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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karma, like death, does not exist.

just more control lies.
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Still, though, if you die physically and then look back on your life it would not be that great to watch yourself knowingly kill or allow suffering to anyone/anything.

As for fruit/veggies/salad - once the apple, let's say, is ripe and ready for picking if not eaten it only rots and becomes food for bacteria/insects/small creatures.

I'd hate to be eaten, but at the same time I'd hate to rot and be eaten inside out.

One way of looking at it tho, I guess, if we didn't eat something we'd not last long past birth in this world.
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Ok, i'm a pretty big believer in karma - for myself anyway - I have learned to change negative thoughts and actions into positive because, well, I always notice 'reaping' the consequences of negative thoughts and actions.

BUT

I saved a grasshopper from drowning in the creek the other day and am now wondering:

The chances of me seeing and helping it were pretty low - just accidentally saw ripples, looked closer and saved the little hopper.

Was I supposed to save it or let nature take it's course without putting 'what I want' into the picture and changing the course of events?

Does my action mean:

1. To balance, another creature has to drown?
2. To balance, someone I know has to drown?
3. To balance, I must drown?
4. To balance, another creature has to save me from drowning?
5. To balance, I must 'let' something drown?

I'm not that worried, but how the heck does 'karma' balance all the variables???

Serious question, anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917770



The act of attraction brought it to you...it was natural right action. Doesn't sound like you were coming from "ego". s226
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Friends and I had a big bonfire once years ago.

Didn't realise a family of mice or rats had moved in during the weeks of building up the wood and scrap.

All the blokes were laughing watching all these little 'fire-balls' running out of the fire screaming - all the gals were nearly in tears.

Was like a surreal nightmare - all the laughing and their faces of my friends looked extra scary due to the flames.
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You will be eaten alive by locusts for your interference.
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Ok, i'm a pretty big believer in karma - for myself anyway - I have learned to change negative thoughts and actions into positive because, well, I always notice 'reaping' the consequences of negative thoughts and actions.

BUT

I saved a grasshopper from drowning in the creek the other day and am now wondering:

The chances of me seeing and helping it were pretty low - just accidentally saw ripples, looked closer and saved the little hopper.

Was I supposed to save it or let nature take it's course without putting 'what I want' into the picture and changing the course of events?

Does my action mean:

1. To balance, another creature has to drown?
2. To balance, someone I know has to drown?
3. To balance, I must drown?
4. To balance, another creature has to save me from drowning?
5. To balance, I must 'let' something drown?

I'm not that worried, but how the heck does 'karma' balance all the variables???

Serious question, anyone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917770


You did the instinctive, right thing.

Don't try to rationalize these thing later.

You have no karmic debt, when you act in the correct way.
BRIEF AND TO THE POINT

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Ok, i'm a pretty big believer in karma - for myself anyway - I have learned to change negative thoughts and actions into positive because, well, I always notice 'reaping' the consequences of negative thoughts and actions.

BUT

I saved a grasshopper from drowning in the creek the other day and am now wondering:

The chances of me seeing and helping it were pretty low - just accidentally saw ripples, looked closer and saved the little hopper.

Was I supposed to save it or let nature take it's course without putting 'what I want' into the picture and changing the course of events?

Does my action mean:

1. To balance, another creature has to drown?
2. To balance, someone I know has to drown?
3. To balance, I must drown?
4. To balance, another creature has to save me from drowning?
5. To balance, I must 'let' something drown?

I'm not that worried, but how the heck does 'karma' balance all the variables???

Serious question, anyone?



The act of attraction brought it to you...it was natural right action. Doesn't sound like you were coming from "ego". s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 526155


OK, let's put this in perspective. While OP saved a little fuck'n cricket, 300 black people hacked up 150 other black people with machetes in Darfur...Haitians are probably back to eating mud cookies and another 30,000 people have just lost their jobs in OP's home town...FUCK THE CRICKET, may he jumped in the water to kill himself!!
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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OP, um you do realize that a fish probably died because it was the crickets destiny to feed it right? Poor starving fish. Good luck in hell asshole!
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Your karma is magnifying, and that isn't a good thing.
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Friends and I had a big bonfire once years ago.

Didn't realise a family of mice or rats had moved in during the weeks of building up the wood and scrap.

All the blokes were laughing watching all these little 'fire-balls' running out of the fire screaming - all the gals were nearly in tears.

Was like a surreal nightmare - all the laughing and their faces of my friends looked extra scary due to the flames.
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Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for fuzzy little creatures that once and a god damned COKE thermometer of my wall...off my WALL...OFF MY FUCK'N WALL in the middle of the night.

Last Edited by BRIEF AND TO THE POINT on 03/16/2010 09:11 PM
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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OP, um you do realize that a fish probably died because it was the crickets destiny to feed it right? Poor starving fish. Good luck in hell asshole!



Your karma is magnifying, and that isn't a good thing.
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If what goes around, truly does come around I could only be so lucky...
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

:Brieffromnativea:
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Thank you!! :D
Every life form deserves a chance... I rescue bugs all the time. Last year, I rescued a red dragonfly from an abandoned spiderweb...he was difficult and delicate to free, but it was so amazing to watch him fly off afterwards.
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Yeah, what about ants, cockroaches, fleas, mozzies and all the rest of those nasty irritating bugs. I've killed millions of them in my lifetime and the only reason is because they were invading my space and being a pain in the arse. I don't LOOK to kill them.

So what happens then?
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OK, let's put this in perspective. While OP saved a little fuck'n cricket, 300 black people hacked up 150 other black people with machetes in Darfur...Haitians are probably back to eating mud cookies and another 30,000 people have just lost their jobs in OP's home town...FUCK THE CRICKET, may he jumped in the water to kill himself!!
 Quoting: BRIEF AND TO THE POINT


I understand that - plus all the genocides/murders/rapes/etc that occur daily.

I guess you just do what you can, tho - I live nowhere near all the worst stuff that happens on this planet (thankfully - but in a previous life, who knows?).

I do feel for everyone that has 'evil' stuff happening to themselves and families - but at the same time i'd just be another statistic like them if I were there.

Sadly, most of the time the cause for all the atrocities is usually money or religion - and even in an upstanding church in an upstanding town you have the possibility of being hacked to death if you 'go against' what 'they' say.
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Yeah, what about ants, cockroaches, fleas, mozzies and all the rest of those nasty irritating bugs. I've killed millions of them in my lifetime and the only reason is because they were invading my space and being a pain in the arse. I don't LOOK to kill them.

So what happens then?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917805


I have cats and ants are ALWAYS coming in and pilfering the cat food on plates.

I could surround the food with a moat of water, but am too lazy.

I have just let the ants do whatever they like - if they are all over one cat food dish, I just put food down elsewhere for the cats - the ants seem to only go after one space of food and don't really bother me - as long as they don't come near my bed.

I see those ant/fly killer cans but they always brag about just how well they kill - I don't like that word - and repellent never seems to bother the ants/flies/mozzies.

Plus, all the stuff that kills insects can't be good for us to breathe in - let alone soak up on the carpet with out feet or soak into our skin from furniture.
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Namaste, the spirit that animates you is the One that animates everything else that lives, karma is concurrent, the illusion of separation is the illusion of time.
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OK, let's put this in perspective. While OP saved a little fuck'n cricket, 300 black people hacked up 150 other black people with machetes in Darfur...Haitians are probably back to eating mud cookies and another 30,000 people have just lost their jobs in OP's home town...FUCK THE CRICKET, may he jumped in the water to kill himself!!


I understand that - plus all the genocides/murders/rapes/etc that occur daily.

I guess you just do what you can, tho - I live nowhere near all the worst stuff that happens on this planet (thankfully - but in a previous life, who knows?).

I do feel for everyone that has 'evil' stuff happening to themselves and families - but at the same time i'd just be another statistic like them if I were there.

Sadly, most of the time the cause for all the atrocities is usually money or religion - and even in an upstanding church in an upstanding town you have the possibility of being hacked to death if you 'go against' what 'they' say.
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What I would have done is use the cricket as bait and eat the fish I catch with him...I always feel good after a nice fish dinner. God made all creatures for our needs...not to be wasted, but to be used properly, and according to his rules.
Poor people do poor people things, and rich people do rich people things.

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

when you rob Paul to give to Peter ... ... ... you will always get Peters support!

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Serious question, anyone?
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It means you passed that test and will be trusted with the next test. The test giver was you, the test subject is you, the results of the success are yet to be determined by you.
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Ok, i'm a pretty big believer in karma - for myself anyway - I have learned to change negative thoughts and actions into positive because, well, I always notice 'reaping' the consequences of negative thoughts and actions.

BUT

I saved a grasshopper from drowning in the creek the other day and am now wondering:

The chances of me seeing and helping it were pretty low - just accidentally saw ripples, looked closer and saved the little hopper.

Was I supposed to save it or let nature take it's course without putting 'what I want' into the picture and changing the course of events?

Does my action mean:

1. To balance, another creature has to drown?
2. To balance, someone I know has to drown?
3. To balance, I must drown?
4. To balance, another creature has to save me from drowning?
5. To balance, I must 'let' something drown?

I'm not that worried, but how the heck does 'karma' balance all the variables???

Serious question, anyone?
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