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04/23/2005 02:12 PM
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911 - Aircraft Parts As
A Clue To Their Identity
The Precautionary Principle
By George Nelson
Colonel, USAF (ret.)
4-23-5

"The precautionary principle is based on the fact that the failure to prove a proposition completely does not disprove the proposition. If the proposition warns of an ongoing or oncoming disaster (e.g. global warming) it is wise to take precautions. The proposition arrived at here is this: the 911 hijackings and damage to buildings were not the work of Arab terrorists, but appear to have been part of a black operation carried out with the cooperation of elements in our government.

In July, 1965, I had just been commissioned as a Second Lieutenant in the U. S. Air Force after taking a solemn oath that I would protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I would bear true faith and allegiance to the same. I took that oath very seriously. It was my constant companion throughout a thirty-year military career in the field of aircraft maintenance.

As an additional duty, aircraft maintenance officers are occasionally tasked as members of aircraft accident investigation boards and my personal experience was no exception. In 1989 I graduated from the Aircraft Mishap Investigation Course at the Institute of Safety and Systems Management at the University of Southern California. In addition to my direct participation as an aircraft accident investigator, I reviewed countless aircraft accident investigation reports for thoroughness and comprehensive conclusions for the Inspector General, HQ Pacific Air Forces during the height of the Vietnam conflict.

In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. This is because every military and civilian passenger-carrying aircraft have many parts that are identified for safety of flight. That is, if any of the parts were to fail at any time during a flight, the failure would likely result in the catastrophic loss of aircraft and passengers. Consequently, these parts are individually controlled by a distinctive serial number and tracked by a records section of the maintenance operation and by another section called plans and scheduling.

Following a certain number of flying hours or, in the case of landing gears, a certain number of takeoff-and-landing cycles, these critical parts are required to be changed, overhauled or inspected by specialist mechanics. When these parts are installed, their serial numbers are married to the aircraft registration numbers in the aircraft records and the plans and scheduling section will notify maintenance specialists when the parts must be replaced. If the parts are not replaced within specified time or cycle limits, the airplane will normally be grounded until the maintenance action is completed. Most of these time-change parts, whether hydraulic flight surface actuators , pumps, landing gears, engines or engine components, are virtually indestructible. It would be impossible for an ordinary fire resulting from an airplane crash to destroy or obliterate all of those critical time-change parts or their serial numbers. I repeat, impossible.

Considering the catastrophic incidents of September 11 2001, certain troubling but irrefutable conclusions must be drawn from the known facts. I get no personal pleasure or satisfaction from reporting my own assessment of these facts.

United Airlines Flight 93

This flight was reported by the federal government to be a Boeing 757 aircraft, registration number N591UA, carrying 45 persons, including four Arab hijackers who had taken control of the aircraft, crashing the plane in a Pennsylvania farm field.

Aerial photos of the alleged crash site were made available to the general public. They show a significant hole in the ground, but private investigators were not allowed to come anywhere near the crash site. If an aircraft crash caused the hole in the ground, there would have literally hundreds of serially-controlled time-change parts within the hole that would have proved beyond any shadow of doubt the precise tail-number or identity of the aircraft. However, the the government has not produced any hard evidence that would prove beyond a doubt that the specifically alleged aircraft crashed at that site. On the contrary, it has been reported that the aircraft, registry number N591UA, is still in operation.

American Airlines Flight 11

This flight was reported by the government to be a Boeing 767, registration number N334AA, carrying 92 people, including five Arabs who had hijacked the plane. This plane was reported to have crashed into the north tower of the WTC complex of buildings.

Again, the government would have no trouble proving its case if only a few of the hundreds of serially controlled parts had been collected to positively identify the aircraft. A Boeing 767 landing gear or just one engine would have been easy to find and identify.

United Airlines Flight 175

This flight was reported to be a Boeing 767, registration number N612UA, carrying 65 people, including the crew and five hijackers. It reportedly flew into the south tower of the WTC.

Once more, the government has yet to produce one serially controlled part from the crash site that would have dispelled any questions as to the identity of the specific airplane.

American Airlines Flight 77

This was reported to be a Boeing 757, registration number N644AA, carrying 64 people, including the flight crew and five hijackers. This aircraft, with a 125-foot wingspan, was reported to have crashed into the Pentagon, leaving an entry hole no more than 65 feet wide.

Following cool-down of the resulting fire, this crash site would have been very easy to collect enough time-change equipment within 15 minutes to positively identify the aircraft registry. There was apparently some aerospace type of equipment found at the site but no attempt was made to produce aerial numbers or to identify the specific parts found. Some of the equipment removed from the building was actually hidden from public view.

Conclusion

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. The hard evidence would have included hundreds of critical time-change aircraft items, plus security videotapes that were confiscated by the FBI immediately following each tragic episode.

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. Regarding the planes that allegedly flew into the WTC towers, it is only just possible that heavy aircraft were involved in each incident, but no evidence has been produced that would add credence to the governmentīs theoretical version of what actually caused the total destruction of the buildings, let alone proving the identity of the aircraft. That is the problem with the governmentīs 911 story. It is time to apply the precautionary principle.

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our countryīs history."

[link to www.physics911.net]
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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THAT BECAUSE THE 2 PLANES THAT HIT THE WTC WHERE NOT AIRLINER AT ALL THEY WHERE REMOTE CONTROLLED PLANES WITH NO CREW.
THE ONLY REAL AIRLINER IS THE ONE THAT AS BEEN DOWNED BY THE AIRFORCE SUPPOSEDLY DIRECTED OVET THE WITHE HOUSE STRANGELY AND COINCIDENTLY THE ONLY UNSUCCESFULL TARGET. I DOUBT THEY WILL BOMB THEMSELF.AHAHA
Chosen1
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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You guys are crazy..we all saw the one plane hitting the world trade center after the first one hit...it was right before your very eyes..
at least those that were watching on tv that day.
How could you deny that what happened didnt occur?
It makes no sense.
I personally think that this kind of talk is an affront to the people who lost loved ones in that disaster and enough is enough..drop it..
There was no friggin conspiracy ..it was an act of terrorism.
Or ..are you the type that just has to hang on stirring up crap to make people even more distrustful of our government and each other?
Our country doesnt need this ..
Be realistic..
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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TCTO parts are replaced because they DO wear and are subject to failure after their specified life. Certain parts MAY be reinstalled after refurbishing and inspection by the mfg. Rarely will an aircraft leave with the same parts it came in with. If it ainīt flyinī it ainīt producing revenue.
Circuit Breaker
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Yep, the OP is a nut-job. Iīd like to know how this person can possibly believe the crap they just posted when thousands of people in NY witnessed the planes hit the buildings. And what about the family members of the people that were on-board these planes? Iīd like the OP to talk them and we can watch as they get the living tar beat out of them. And I suppose they want us to believe that all the video we saw on TV was just special effects created in a movie studio.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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Can an RB-66 lift off with the same fule load as a 757 767 aircraft?
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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i agree that the world saw the towers hit--but i also agree that the serial#s of parts would prove it conclusively and that has not been forthcoming--even when one of the engines was found blocks away from the towers.

BUT ATTAīS barely singed? passport was laying on top of a pile of smoldering trash blocks away--and was found????????????
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serial#s of parts would prove it conclusively ---

that is the ID of the planes that were used--my bad---to many open loose ends for such diasters and the resulting carnage that is still going on.

Asimple part serial # could put an end to a lot of the speculation.
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Iīve often wondered if the reason Flight 93 was shot down - if it was Flight 93 - was not because the "hijackers" had control of the plane, but because the passengers had successfully regained control. No way they could allow that plane to land and have the truth, whatever it is, exposed.

Note that seismographic and other evidence prove conclusively that flight 93 crashed at 10:06am yet the cockpit tape released by the government ends abrubtly at 10:03am as the passengers allegedly begin to charge the cockpit. The FBI and FAA have refused to even discuss this discrepancy, much less the contents of the missing three minutes.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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The sacrifice thousands of people who died and the suffering of their families is not served by LIES.

The official release of the FAA numbers of the airplanes that were supposedly involved in the WTC collision are available for all to read.

If they are bonafide, why are 767īs with the SAME numbers still flying?

If you are trying to debunk a post, at least read what it says and make your observations on point.
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#932- No.


767--23,980 gallons Ws 172 ft
757--11,466 gallons Ws 124 ft
B-66--4650 gallons Ws 72 ft

High wing ancient bomber vs low wing airliner.
1doh1
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"If they are bonafide, why are 767īs with the SAME numbers still flying?"

Is there some law or regulation that states tail numbers canīt be reassigned? And where are these planes? Just because someone said theyīre still flying doesnīt make it so.
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Tail no# or flight# or mfg article#?
captain obvious
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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I believe it is not permitted so as to avoid confusion.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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highjackers still alive
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Iīve got it, twins!
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These threads then are all bush*t by someone wanting people to think that their government did this.

They said, even showed an RB-66eīs engine part, on the ground at the Pentagon.

Hereīs the problem; by using volumetric fuel to air rrate ratios mixtures, ignited, you get volumetric capacity of the explosion itself.

In otherwords, you take x amount of fuels, then plot an action ratio coordiance, over what the dilution of that fuel will do, when held in suspended mass, within set coordinates.

Both of the said passenger planes, were carrying a tremendous amount of internally held fuels stores.

When those planes slammed into the WTC building, their plotted airspeed, was about five hundred miles per hour.

When the planes went into the building, that very fist micro to nanosecond, you start to have mass to energy conversion.

On the film that was offered here, a while back which states that the one side of the aircraft did not have a port wing, did you notice how clear the port side photo of the WTC building was?

Okay, could have been J-peg, m-peg compression, or a new splice of film transposed over an existing one?

The side moving series officered by curious, shows in detail, all the affects from a massive amount of fuel, being diluted into an air fuel mixture, as both the mass of the airplane and the jet engine parts, start their mass energy conversion.

Right on schedule, mixtures of fuel air effects are started to be shown, coming out the camera facing side of the building, however only about a quarter of the way through on the building.

You can do a volumetric capacity in air suspension ignition by including an overhead graph, blocked, of what the useful fuleload was, against the all seen ignited fuel, shown throughout the entire sequence.

As a matter of fact, this would be easy to do.

Even the plane hitting the Pentagon.

I donīt trust a certain sect which is an offset of a certain religious party, concerning their involvement in the new data, that has been released, as these people have also been harassing aerospace posting boards, as well as other places.

The new proposal that our government did this, look very closely at, before you pile on this band wagon?
Chosen1
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BULLCRAP !!
INTERESTING ARTICLE
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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.....The defenders of the official version of 9/11 inevitably ask how so many people could keep a secret. "Wouldnīt someone have blown the whistle by now?" is the constant challenge by the champions of denial. How naïve they are.

At the higher levels of government the issue is NO longer about SECRECY, but about SURVIVAL. The extent of the 9/11 CRIMES are so great that a very real scenario of self preservation has arisen. Exposing the TRUTH about 9/11 would virtually mean the END of the United States of America as a viable power. If the good people in our government and in our intelligence community EXPOSED the truth, America would NEVER ever regain its credibility in the world. We would never again be respected or trusted. We would immediately relinquish our leadership position in the world and sink to the position of a rogue nation that had COMMITTED an unforgivable atrocity against its OWN people for political purposes. We would expose the huge betrayal of trust that has been developed and nurtured over our 230 year history as a nation......

MUCH MORE will post the link if some one wants
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It is better to be humble and honest than to be filled with pride and dishonest.

True healing and true survival for you, your children, and your childrenīs children is founded on TRUTH.

Festering cancer and death for you, your children, and the end of all generations in a global nuclear holocaust is founded on LIES and DECEPTION.
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for anyone not to question this tragedy and believe with blind faith the answers of the people in charge is a dis service to themselves.Where are the black boxes,never found? dont think so
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The truth canīt be found with hundreds of disinfo freaks throwing dirt on it.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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The tail number of Flight UA 93, which was supposed to have crashed in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001, is 591UA. (reference: see the beginning of the second paragraph under the header "Background" at:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Frequent United Airlines user Mr Friedman kept a log of all the flights he flew on during 2003, including details about their crews and the tail number (N-number) of the planes. He recorded that on April 10, 2003, he flew on a United Airline Boeing 757 with tail/N-number N591UA. See his flight log at:

[link to friedmanfamily.org]

and look under the date column 04/10/03 for the row named "Tail" (the tail number).

Moreover, he correctly lists the type of plane he flew on that day with the same tail number as Flight 93 as a Boeing 757. Given that, according to his log, he flew on nine different types of planes between 01/02/03 and 04/10/03, the chance of him flying on a Boeing 757 on April 10 is about 10%. Either:
1. his log is a subtle joke to fool 9/11 conspiracy investigators for whom he has no time. If that is the case subtle is the word, for not even many such investigators would recognise the tail number of Flight 93 if they read it, whilst the log is a single, obscure webpage and not part of a personal website, so he is not trying very hard to advertise his misinformation;
2. Friedman accidently made a false entry that coincided with BOTH the type of plane that was supposed to have crashed on 9/11 AND with its 3-figure tail number (what are the chances of that?!);
3. Flight 93 did not crash into a field in Pennsylvania on September 11, 2001 and United Airlines was still using this plane in April, 2003.

You decide.
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>>The truth canīt be found with hundreds of disinfo freaks throwing dirt on it.<<

Critical point. Or government ops doing the same.
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12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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"At the higher levels of government the issue is NO longer about SECRECY, but about SURVIVAL."

Oh BULLSHIT!!! Pres. Clinton canīt get a blowjob in the oval office without the whole world knowing, yet you want us to believe that EVERYONE who KNOWS THE TRUTH about 911 is too scared to say anything AT ALL about it.

You are BULLSHIT!!!

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We know when someone is talking bullshit when he says it so many times.
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I think this type of conspiracy theory could be started deliberately by the intelligence agencies to deflect our attention away from why they totally failed in their mission to protect our country from this type of attack. They blew it totally, our tax dollars were wasted, we suffered as if those agencies didnīt even exist, and they donīt want to lose their jobs over it.
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If you believe that, you will believe anything. A ridiculous, vacuous explanation for something you cannot bring yourself to believe actually happened, even when startling evidence is presented in front of your nose only two or three replies ago!
GREY LENSMAN
12/08/2005 10:07 AM
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PERPLEXING TO SAY THE LEAST.

PARTS, CRITICAL, YES THEY GET REPLACED. THEN THE NEW PARTS ID ARE INCLUDED IN THE MAINTENACE LOG. THIS IS VITAL TO TRACE PARTS IN FAILURE ANALYSIS.

MYSTERY.

I SAW THE PLANE FLY INTO THE SOUTH TOWER, LIVE ON CNN, IT WAS A 767. SO HOW COME THE ENGINE FOUND ON MURRAY WAS THAT FROM A 757. THAT HAS ME REALLY BUGGED.


CAN WE GET THIS STRAIGHT. SINCE WHEN HAS DEMANDING TO KNOW THE TRUTH, POINTING OUT OBVIOUS ERRORS AND OMMISSIONS AND FALSEHOODS, SINCE WHEN HAS THAT BEEN DISRESPECTFUL OF THE DEAD.

I MUST ADMIT, SEEING THE SLOW MOTION VERSIONS, SPPOKS ME. IT FEELS AND LOOKS VERY WRONG. YES A PLANE FLYING AT "FULL SPEED" INTO A BUILDING IS WRONG BUT LOOKING AT IT, IT JUST DISAPPEARS, JUST INSTANTLY FADES AWAY. I REALLY FIND THAT HARD TO EXPLAIN.

THE ONLY THING YOU SEE FLY OFF IS THE ENGINE, THE 757 ENGINE.

TAIL NUMBERS ARE VITAL EVIDENCE OF TITLE, THE DEEDS TO THE PLANE, THEY ARE NOT READILY CHANGED EXCEPT FOR EXAMPLE CHANGED OF FLAG, WHEN THEY ARE DEREGISTERED. NEITHER ARE THEY DUPLICATED OR RE-USED.

GL
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""BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
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Once again a most eloquent post adding some much needed information to the topic.THANKA YOU MUCH


The black boxes would solve it.Fireman were supposed to have found them.What is on them?





GLP