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Health bill is malpractice
By U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, M.D.

Congress's latest final push in its ideological crusade called health reform is shaping up to be an act of historic arrogance and deception.

For months, the American people have been telling Congress to scrap the current bills. A recent CNN poll found that 7 in 10 Americans want Congress to start over on health care, or quit working on the issue altogether. Yet, the majority in Congress continues to march on in the face of overwhelming public opposition.

The American people have good reason to be concerned. The bill that may become law in a few days is not a collection of so-called fixes or compromises but the exact bill the Senate passed on Christmas Eve that was filled with backroom deals such as the Cornhusker Kickback. The Senate bill also still contains half a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts, half a trillion dollars in tax increases, job-killing penalties for employers, provisions that will cause premiums to spike, and radical provisions to fund abortion and ration health care.

House leaders are so ashamed of the Senate bill that they have concocted a procedural process to pass the Senate bill without having a direct vote. In short, they hope to pass one of the most important pieces of legislation in recent history, which will affect one-sixth of our economy, without the public knowing. Even House Democrats are criticizing this charade. Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.), a member of the Blue Dog and New Democrat coalitions, called this process “wrong.” Altmire and other wavering Democrats understand that once the House passes the Senate bill, the Senate will have little motivation to clean up the bill under the arcane and complex reconciliation process.

The fundamental problem with the current reform bill is that it fixes the wrong problem. In medicine, we call this treating symptoms rather than the disease.

The fundamental problem in health care is cost. Every family knows that cost reduces access. As a nation, we spend twice as much on health care as any other industrialized country, but we aren’t any healthier as a result. A study by Thomson-Reuters shows that one in three dollars in our more than $2 trillion health care system does nothing to help people get well or prevent them from getting sick. If members of Congress focused their time and energy on allocating the health care dollars that are already in the system more efficiently—by reducing fraud and the costs associated with defensive medicine, for instance—we could lower cost and improve access overnight.

The bill before us, however, fails to do that. Instead, it builds on a broken and bankrupt system. The Senate bill will put 15 million Americans in the Medicaid program, which is bankrupting states and denying care to millions of American. Forty percent of doctors restrict access to Medicaid patients because reimbursement rates are so low. The rest of America will be funneled into the insurance industry the White House has been demonizing.

Supporters argue that the bill will save taxpayers $100 billion over 10 years, but this estimate is a sham. The numbers Congress gave to the Congressional Budget Office include 10 years of tax increases but only six years of benefits at the back end. This is unjust and deceptive Enron-style accounting. No homeowner would allow a bank to tell them they have to make mortgage payments for four years before they can move into their new home. Yet that is precisely what Congress is telling the American people.

The bill will also cause health care costs and premiums to increase, not decrease. According to CBO, premiums for families could rise 10 to 13 percent beyond current estimates. The president’s own actuary also estimated that health care costs will increase, not decrease, under the Senate bill.

Proponents are not only wrong about cost containment but patient choice as well. The fact is the Senate bill takes unprecedented steps to put government bureaucrats between patients and doctors. For instance, the Senate bill creates new comparative effectiveness research (CER) panels that have been used as rationing commissions in other countries such as the U.K., where 15,000 cancer patients die prematurely every year according to the National Cancer Intelligence Network.

The Senate bill also depends on the recommendations of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force in no fewer than 14 places. This task force was responsible for advising women under 50 to not undergo annual mammograms. Proponents claim the task force recommendations do not carry the force of law, but the Senate bill itself contradicts that claim by declaring health insurance plans “shall provide coverage for” services approved by the task force.

I’ve treated patients in my own practice who would have had their lives cut short had a government panel been allowed to tell me which treatments I could and could not prescribe. These and other provisions have caused physicians to turn against this bill. For instance, a recent poll conducted by Sermo.com, an online community of more than 110,000 physicians, found that only 1 in 10 physicians said Congress should push the current bills through, while nearly two-thirds of physicians said Congress should start over and work on targeted, step-by-step solutions.

Health reform will only be possible when Congress agrees to listen to reason, and the American people, and defeats a deeply misguided plan that will increase costs, limit patient choices and delay the real reform America needs.

Tom Coburn is a U.S. Senator from Oklahoma. He is also a practicing physician and author of the "Patients' Choice Act" along with Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina and Representatives Paul Ryan of Wisconsin and Devin Nunes of California.

[link to news.yahoo.com]

Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 03/19/2010 07:25 AM

And Merka will just put up and thats it...Watch this space...Im not being nasty but lets face it you are the same as us .you will just take it up the tail pipe.

sorry but true.

its gonna be the most historic heist of the american people of disastrous proportions.

I think he is right about the people protesting. You have elections in November, and politicians do not want to get slaughtered. If the American people keep fighting against it I think they may come out on top. Shit they have done a damn good job thus far. Shocked the hell out of the administration with the Kennedy seat.

oh geez

Well,Phen,if this goes through somehow, then it will be disastrous. Because come election time anyone and everyone who votes for this should be fired! Period!

just not in DC - if no one can get to DC then it should go to their state capitol steps - peacefully. the states must take action bc its their residents. states must take responsibility here.

pa is beginning to organize now.

Seriously if you guys pull something like that off, and shock the administration, it will shock the entire world.

its been said - they know this hawk, and its anticipated that they will pull something to stop the elections.

So far, from what I know all the reps and congressmen in NC who want to keep their jobs are not gonna vote for it. And they damn well better not!

dajavoo linked us last night to an article where the pussies in dc have prepped to barricade the capitol.

last i checked we have 2 in pa who are a no. holden is one.

Barricades wouldn't stop an angry mob if things got really crazy, ya know? Hell, they'll go over it and drag those bastards out of the buildings and start handing out ropes if they were of a mind to.

I watch Glen Beck maybe twice a year. I watched last night. Last night he showed a picture of the states that have passed, filed for, or intend to file legislation to prevent government health care in their states. The only two states that had not done so were Hawaii and Alaska. That's 48 states that do not intend to honor this bill.

beck maybe spreading truth - but its controlled truth. you know how it goes. hes not telling 'all of it'.

That is true, but they will slow it down.

states must act on this. its an imperative. CONgress is going to pass it.

look at virginia and idaho


***Virginia First State In Nation To Pass Anti-Mandate Health Reform Bill***
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Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan
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Pennsylvania lawmaker calls health care ad outrageous and untrue, but group refuses to halt it

March 17th, 2010

Lawmaker says health care ad distorts and hurts

WASHINGTON — A Pennsylvania lawmaker whose parents recently died of cancer is among the targets of an ad campaign by a conservative group that questions congressional Democrats’ interest in preventing the disease.

Democratic Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper said she was outraged by the ad, part of a widespread campaign in 18 Democratic districts to defeat a proposed overhaul of U.S. health care. Two independent fact-checking groups said the ad contains serious distortions.

Dahlkemper called for the ad to be pulled. But its sponsor, Americans for Prosperity, has refused.

The ad urges lawmakers to vote against the health care legislation pending in Congress. It is identical in each district until the end, when it shows the photo and name of the local representative and urges constituents to contact him or her.

In Dahlkemper’s case, the ad stung personally as well as politically.

“In the past month, I’ve lost both my parents to cancer,” she said in a statement. “It’s truly disgraceful for outside groups to then attack me for not being tough enough on cancer.”

Dahlkemper, who voted for the House’s health care bill in November, said she is a longtime supporter of cancer prevention.

The ad features a breast cancer survivor who criticizes a federal advisory panel’s recommendations that some women postpone routine mammograms until age 50.

The pending bill in Congress specifically rejects that recommendation. But the ad strongly suggests otherwise. “What are your odds if the government takes over your health care?” says the woman in the ad.

The nonpartisan group Factcheck.org denounced the ad for its “sheer number of falsehoods.” Politifact, another independent group, gave the ad its lowest rating for truthfulness and accuracy: “Pants on Fire.”

Americans for Prosperity spokeswoman Amy Payne said the ad is appropriate to the current debate because it “is based on an overarching concern about a stronger government role in health care.”

[link to blog.taragana.com]

As a Beck fan at least he opens his mouth to tell us some truth. Now I know he's controlled, who isn't? I find it amusing that there are so many Beck detractors....so I ask "who, what, where do you get and believe your info from"? I won't put all my eggs in one basket but at least Beck's eggs aren't as rotten.

im just sayin DB, that his bosses are on (ahem) "the payroll". and what should be told - obviously isnt. i listen to him too. it just annoys me that while we get the full read here/GLP, hes only telling part of it. *imagine, with his audience, what he could do if he went full frontal with everything?

Dennis Kucinich just interviewed on Fox. He said the bill is step one, according to Obama. Obama will help Kucinich turn our system into single-payer in the future. That's why Kucinich changed his vote to yes.

Agree....and wouldn't it be nice to know "who" is writing the real check!!!

mark my words..this bill will pass

the ball will then be in OUR hands.

only if you're using a musket. i've upgraded since the first revolutionary war. rw2 will be held at a much faster pace. a lot less reloading.

true...but my fear is that it will be another civil war....this country is too divided

Thye only need 2 votes.... they are behind closed doors... doing what ever THUG DEAL THEY NEED...

It will PASS... the PEOPLE have NO SAY... we are in a DICATATORSHIP... NOW... it is here.

No one is listening to WE THE PEOPLE...

They say... WE WON.... get over it!

I'm not sure people care enough to actually fight over this.

There is a 37 state push to sue the Fed if it passes.

Obama will be stuttering and stammering as he fires his staff and lays blame on everyone but himself.


There's real change

Phen, that is most telling. I just told my Mom yesterday that they dont give a shit about November, because something will happen that will suspend the elections.
And everyone was worried about Bush declaring martial law, I think there is something much more sinister in the works.