Philosophical PROOF that GOD EXISTS - Atheists are WRONG | |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 05:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I highly suggest you watch the BBC documentary cause they are doing by far a better job than you are.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896826Your attempt to prove the existence of "God"/"Gods" (at least one intelligent creator) is a shame. I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 920791 United States 03/20/2010 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ***** But then, why can't I perform telekinesis? Why can't I move backwards through time? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984Because God exists, God creates the rules which we must follow. Therefore time is linear. Therefore apples fall down to the ground. All the rules of objective reality that we cannot break, are rules that God instigated upon our objective reality. Because physical rules exist at all, God exists to create the rules. Another AC GLPer was so kind as to add on to this by saying that evolution of the species is enabled through the creation of linear time. That means God caused evolution by creating linear time. There you have it. I'll even post my name to it because I'm proud of this. It is the end-all of philosophy, and it is CORRECT. 18 years of atheism, poof and gone. Muriel Anderson [email protected] i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. |
BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 03/20/2010 05:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you prove a negative? |
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BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 03/20/2010 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How can you prove a negative? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 920791why should anyone attempt to prove a negative? or a positive for that matter... Indeed... Why bother. Let's have a beer instead |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 920791mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 920791 United States 03/20/2010 06:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896826 France 03/20/2010 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I highly suggest you watch the BBC documentary cause they are doing by far a better job than you are.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984Your attempt to prove the existence of "God"/"Gods" (at least one intelligent creator) is a shame. I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it. Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument. You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 06:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 920791mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god? This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS. This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one. Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true. Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own. That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896826Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument. You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion. I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points. |
BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 03/20/2010 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984Can't you see how stupid that sounds? Mulitiple consciousnesses? There's only one consciousness. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896826 France 03/20/2010 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. Well at least I agree with you on this comment.. Atheists indeed cannot prove their belief system. Atheism is soon to be history because today it is scientifically possible to prove an intelligent creators existence. Atheism is destined to become a laughing matter.. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. Quoting: BadMoonRisingCan't you see how stupid that sounds? Mulitiple consciousnesses? There's only one consciousness. No, I don't see how stupid that sounds. Tell me WHY it's stupid. Back up your claims. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896826Well at least I agree with you on this comment.. Atheists indeed cannot prove their belief system. Atheism is soon to be history because today it is scientifically possible to prove an intelligent creators existence. Atheism is destined to become a laughing matter.. What do you disagree with? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 915909 United States 03/20/2010 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i followed along with ye easily till ye got to this part. then ye went south on me. if ye believe god exists, then he exists. if ye don't believe, he doesn't exist. then ye ignored the second part in favor of the first. thereby negating yer argument. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984mind ye, i'm not saying there is no creator. i talk to the creator all the time - and the creator talks back. merely saying yer logic shot itself in the foot by ignoring yer own logic. I do not need to spell out the atheist perspective here. Atheists cannot prove god does not exist, because it's impossible to prove something is not there. I'm proving that something IS there through our perception. The atheist simply has to fail to perceive of God. ye've proved that something is there. i can agree to that. what that something is can be debated. the only thing any of us can honestly verify is that which we personally experience. does that make me god? This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS. This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one. Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true. Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own. That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. So you are going to use your individual, subjective experience as an excuse preach to the world? Don't work that way, buddy. You are just making yourself look foolish, everyone has their own "AHA" moment and they get to form their own conclusions. Your "god" is just the best way you can interpret it for now. Glad it works for you, don't expect the rest of us to fall for your reality, though. That's just childish. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 920791 United States 03/20/2010 06:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one. Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true. Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own. That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. what this sounds like to me is that god exists because ye decided to believe it. that is proof that ye have decided, but that is all. we're back at the point where yer logic collapsed because ye chose to ignore the half of it that did not include god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896826 France 03/20/2010 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am watching it. You have not shown the singularity to be wrong. My position stands. Name calling wont win it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984Nothing stands in your post.. You don't know how to organize your thoughts in order to construct a Logical Argument. You make conclusions that come out of nowhere and you believe that all the uncorrelated things you stated earlier justifies your conclusion. I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points. There is nothing to argue.. You are bold to use words that you clearly do not master the meaning. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 896826 France 03/20/2010 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This worrisome concept hit me after I discovered the singularity. I become solipsistic. If all things are true simultaneously, and my perceived reality is dominant, then I am the creator of all things. That means I am the creator of those around me, and my consciousness is the only genuine consciousness. All others are philosophical zombies or NPCS. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 920791This was disturbing to me... until I realized through perceived reality I can actively decide that my consciousness is not the only one. Incidentally, the moment I decided this was true, I hit play on a youtuber who declared a similar understanding of this concept... and I had no idea his video was going to be about it. Literally, the solipsism ended the moment I declared it not to be true. Then I of course thought back to my moment with my (now) husband. I was shown that he has a seperate individual consciousness to my own. That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. what this sounds like to me is that god exists because ye decided to believe it. that is proof that ye have decided, but that is all. we're back at the point where yer logic collapsed because ye chose to ignore the half of it that did not include god. Thank human intelligence! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 828984 United States 03/20/2010 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So you are going to use your individual, subjective experience as an excuse preach to the world? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 915909Don't work that way, buddy. You are just making yourself look foolish, everyone has their own "AHA" moment and they get to form their own conclusions. Your "god" is just the best way you can interpret it for now. Glad it works for you, don't expect the rest of us to fall for your reality, though. That's just childish. Had you read my post, you would find that individual, subjective experiences are perceived reality. Perceived reality is dominant. Therefore my personal, subjective AHA moment is RELEVANT! woohoo! |
BadMoonRising User ID: 727864 United Kingdom 03/20/2010 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That means that God is in control of my objective reality, because God allows for multiple consciousnesses. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 828984Can't you see how stupid that sounds? Mulitiple consciousnesses? There's only one consciousness. No, I don't see how stupid that sounds. Tell me WHY it's stupid. Back up your claims. It'll take a long time but I recommend you read this book: [link to www.amazon.com] Seriously good read. From the Amazon description: Consciousness Is All is a book on Absolute Reality, sometimes called Infinite Reality. It shows clearly why only Consciousness Itself - also known as the One Self, I Am, Love, Life, the Divine, God, and other terms - is being conscious right here, now. Consciousness is absolutely all there is of all there is. Simply nothing exists outside of, or beyond, Consciousness. As Consciousness is All or One - It thus is not a higher Self, but the only Self. It precludes there being another, lesser consciousness that has to or can become anything. No transformation is necessary or even possible. This shatters the myth of a would-be secondary self struggling to get at-one with a vague "god." Read this book as if It were Consciousness, the One Self, talking to Itself. This is the only "viewpoint" that is valid, true, and actually operating because, truly, the Self is the only One being conscious here, now, so this can be read! Stop and think what a marvelous book it would be if the Self, the One, wrote a book about Itself! What would the One Self say? It couldn't speak of a human struggle of becoming the Self - It could speak only of already being the Self. It wouldn't have to instruct how to get at-one with Itself, because It already is that! All the Self could speak of is Its own Presence - the immediacy of Itself to Itself. It could state only what It already, presently is - Oneness, Wholeness and Perfection. Would that leave you out? Not at all! That Self being conscious here, now, is the only You there is. After You read this book, You will see that now Life is completely new. Last Edited by BadMoonRising on 03/20/2010 06:17 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 920791 United States 03/20/2010 06:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't care how it's organized. You haven't argued any of my points. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 896826There is nothing to argue.. You are bold to use words that you clearly do not master the meaning. the logic presented in the opening salvo indicated an understanding of the spoken/written word. the problem in my view came when she seized upon one point of that logic and discarded the rest. if the logic of the point she seized on was valid, then the rest had to be also. after all, it was all part of the same logic. |