ARE ALL CHRISTIANS GOING IN THE RAPTURE??? ARE YOU SURE YOU ARE READY???

that being the rapture doctrine! but the bible calls it the second coming!

Yes! That indeed is the RAPTURE!!!

There will the resurrection of those who died during the Church Age, just as there was a resurrection when Jesus Christ became alive after 3 days.

Do you not remember that many who were in their graves were resurrected and appeared to many after Jesus arose from the dead on the 3rd day?

So also, those that have died in the Lord in the Age of Grace, this Church Age will be resurrected to meet the Lord in the Air and we who are alive will also join Him!

This is the RAPTURE event and all that truly dwell on the earth afterwards will be unbelievers under the judgement of God's Wrath.

yes there will be resurrection on the Last Day, when Jesus comes again for as Revelations say, billions of people will die during the TRIBULATIONS.

That is a LOT of people. Those people who remain after the RAPTURE will STILL NUMBER IN THE BILLIONS.

And since all of these who did not believe will enter into the TRIBULATIONS, many will die in it, but those who die in it will be raised on the Last Day that those who believed in Him will go to everlasting Life and those that did not to everlasting Torment, in the Lake of Fire.

AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST,THEN WE WHICH ARE ALIVE AND REMAIN SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR; AND SO SHALL WE EVER BE WITH THE LORD. corinthians

Since the living cannot be called up before the dead is raised then you just need to figure out when the dead is raised then you will know you are going after that. Corinthians states THE DEAD IN CHRIST SHALL RISE FIRST

so lets find out when the dead in christ is going to be raised up and then you will know when the rapture is

Resurrection of the righteous will not happen 'till the LAST DAY in John's Gospel Chapter 6:
1. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I would lose nothing, BUT SHOULD RAISE IT UP AGAIN AT THE LAST DAY. vs. 39

2. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY. vs. 40

3. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY. vs. 44

4. whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life, and I will raise him up AT THE LAST DAY.vs. 54

THen you can read my above post and agree as written by the scriptures, he will raise them up at the last day! which is not pre tribulation put post tribulation. noting my longer above post . glad we have come to a conclusion to this subject!

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture View

When dealing with doctrinal issues, sometimes some truths are right there in the Bible in front of our noses, and it's easy for us to understand them. Other truths are more challenging and require us to look at the whole chapter, book, or bible in order to fully grasp the concepts. When any one verse dealing with a particular doctrinal issue appears to stand apart from other similar truths, we should suspect that there may be an interpretational or possibly a translational issue involved that needs further research. I believe the doctrine of the rapture is one such difficult truth.

The word 'rapture' is not listed in the English bible. But it is listed in the Latin Vulgate bible, written by Jerome in the early 400's AD. The word there is 'raeptius,' which translated into English means 'rapture.' It is found here in the English bible:

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In English bibles, 'raeptius' is transliterated into 'caught up.' That happens sometimes during the translation process to try to communicate the point more familiarly.

The original Thessalonian manuscripts however were written in Greek. There were actually no 'English' words at all in the original bibles, including the word 'bible' itself. And the original Greek word for 'rapture' is listed in English script as 'harpazo,' which means 'to rapture up into the air,' or to 'snatch away.'

It was this original Greek term 'harpazo' that Jerome later translated into Latin as 'raeptius,' which was later translated into English as 'rapture.' These terms all mean the same thing: 'to be caught up.'

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Below are some reasons I believe the Pre-Tribulational Rapture doctrine is likely to be the most Biblically accurate view:

1. Imminency. We're supposed to look, watch, and wait for Jesus' imminent return. Nothing has to happen before Jesus returns for us. (1 Cor. 1:7; Phil. 3:20; 1 Thes. 1:10; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; 1 Peter 1:13; Jude 21)
The non-Pre-Trib positions ALL require certain things to happen 1st before Jesus can return. Things like the Antichrist's 7 yr peace treaty with Israel, the rebuilding of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount right on or next to the Muslim Dome of the Rock, the 7 Seals of Judgment, etc. These things destroy imminency.

2. Dispensation of the Tribulation. The Bible states that Daniel's 70th Week/Tribulation/Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's Trouble/Day of the Lord/Wrath of God are all things related to God's dealing with Israel getting ready to restore it back to His grace. (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11; Ezek. 20:22-44; 22:13-22) This is not a time for the Church, but a time for "those who dwell on the earth"- meaning non-Christians. (Rev. 3:10; 6:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14; 17:2, 8)

3. Dispensation of the Church. The Church is promised to be taken up to the Father's House. (John 14:1-3 Compare this verse with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) How can that be if the Church remains here on earth thru the 2nd Coming? Going up to meet Jesus in the air at the moment He's coming down to finish off the Antichrist and his armies is not the same as the Church going up to heaven. There is no mention of Jesus going back to heaven in the Bible after His 2nd Coming. And I don't think He's going to open heaven and come down with all His angels just to pick up the Church in the air, then do a mid-flight U-turn & go back up to heaven. Then grab some horses and linens for the Church. Then do another U-turn and come back immediately to finish off the Antichrist. The Bible doesn't say that.

Also the Church is a Mystery. (Eph. 3:1-13; 2:11-22) That means a new Truth has just been revealed. The Old Testament prophets knew nothing about it or it's role in God's plan. But they did know a lot about the Tribulation period. This is further evidence that the two ages: the Old Testament Israel era & the New Testament Church era will not overlap. Right now, the Jews and Gentiles are co-mingled in the Church, (Eph. 2- 3) but this can't be when you look at God's 70 Weeks program for Israel in Daniel. The two must be separated prior to the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week, which is the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation.

The Church has also been promised deliverance from the TIME of God's wrath. That means, "out of the time period" of the Tribulation. (1 Thes. 1:9-10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10)

4. Time Gap Needed. A time period is needed in heaven to handle some things that will take place with the Church after the rapture.

The Judgment Seat of Christ (or Bema in Greek) needs to happen to Christians in the Church in heaven before they return with Jesus to the Battle of Armageddon. (2 Corinthians 5:10) This is when they get their rewards for good Christian service (or not)

The Bride of Christ (the Church) has to be in heaven to get ready for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Revelation 19:7-10) as I mentioned earlier. They can't do this if they don't go up to heaven before the 2nd Coming.

The 24 Elders around the Throne in heaven appear to be very representative of the Church. If this is so, the Church must be in heaven prior to the opening of the 1st Seal of the Scroll of the Tribulation- the opening kick-off if you will. (Revelation 4:1- 5:14) In the New Testament, the elders represent the Church. (Acts 15:6; 20:28) In the Old Testament, the elders were always 24 in number, and appointed by King David to represent the entire priesthood. In Jesus' new Millennial Kingdom, Christians will assume the title of the Priesthood. (Revelation 20:6)

Where are all the mortals? If all the Christians are raptured up at the 2nd Coming of Christ, who will be left to re-populate the earth during the Millennial Kingdom? All the bad guys will be gone because of the Battle of Armageddon and the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment. Raptured Christians will have immortal bodies and will no longer pro-create. (sorry) But the Bible clearly states that there will be mortal Christians who survived the cataclysm and who would carry on mortal life on earth. (Isa. 65:20-25). And, the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment would also be impossible if all the good guys were already raptured. There would be no need for a separation of the two groups of mortals. This is an impossible situation for the Post-Tribulation Rapture proponents.

5. The Presence of the Holy Spirit. The 'man of lawlessness'/Antichrist/beast is said to be held back for now. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12) The 'restrainer of evil'/Holy Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8) is at work in the Church right now and will leave with it in the Pre-Trib rapture. This will then free the Antichrist to unleash his demonic power on the world soon after, which is the first Seal of Judgment to be opened in heaven after the rapture. The Pre-Trib view is the only view that can work here.

6. Here are some comparisons between the Rapture & the 2nd Coming:

Rapture: is a translation or resurrection coming where the Lord comes FOR His Church/Bride (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:15-17) and taking her to His Father's House. (John 14:3).
2nd Coming: Jesus is coming WITH his saints/Church/Bride to set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs. (Rev. 19; Zech. 14:4-5; Matt. 24:27-31)

Rapture: is a Mystery, a newly revealed truth (1 Cor. 15:51-54; Col. 1:26) not known to the Old Testament prophets, and making it a separate event from anything they have foreseen. The New Testament talks about the Rapture of the Church and the 2nd Coming.
2nd Coming: was predicted in the Old Testament. (Dan. 12:1-3; Zech. 12:10; 14:4) The Old Testament of Israel just talks about the 2nd Coming.

More comparisons between the two:

Rapture: Translation of all believers
2nd Coming: No translation of anyone

Rapture: Translated saints go up to heaven
2nd Coming: Translated saints return to earth

Rapture: Earth is not judged at that time
2nd Coming: Earth is judged and righteousness is restored

Rapture: Imminent and sign-less
2nd Coming: Follows exact signs and days according to
Daniel and Revelation prior to.

Rapture: Is for Believers only
2nd Coming: Is for everyone

Rapture: Happens before the Day of Wrath
2nd Coming: Concludes the Day of Wrath

Rapture: Has no reference to Satan
2nd Coming: Satan is bound up for 1000 yrs.

Rapture: Jesus comes in the air only
2nd Coming: Jesus comes down to the earth

Rapture: Only Christians see Him
2nd Coming: Everyone sees Him

Rapture: Tribulation then begins
2nd Coming: Millennial Kingdom begins

7. Practical Results of a Pre-Trib Rapture. Some people think the Pre-Tribbers have illusions of escapism that will destroy their witness and faith if the Pre-Trib Rapture doesn't play out. They think Pre-Tribbers don't care about anything or anyone because they think they have a 'Get out of Jail Free' card for the Tribulation. However, they might not realize that Jesus will reward Christians for good service at the Judgment Seat of Christ later in heaven after the rapture. If there is no good Christian service, there may be little or no rewards waiting for them after the rapture.

The fact that Jesus could return today for us should be a good motivator for living a good Christian life and doing good works for Christ.

Also, knowing that loved ones: friends and family, who aren't Christians will be left behind after the rapture to face the coming cataclysm of the Great Tribulation should be enough to motivate them to try to lead as many people as possible to Christ before it's too late.

If the Pre-Wrath or Mid-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation Rapture view was accurate, a simple study of Daniel's 70th Week would then show you exactly when Jesus is returning for the 2nd Coming. All you have to do is note when the Antichrist's 7 year peace treaty with Israel is signed, or note just when the Antichrist's abomination of desolation in the new Jewish Temple happens, and you can compute the exact day of our Lord's 2nd Coming. No imminency there. No need to always live a righteous life there. You could then just sin and sin and wait around until the last day before Christ's return and then repent and be good. Based on my understanding of the Bible, I just don't think it works like that.

And whoever said that we must suffer through the Tribulation to be purified, or to do good works in it to get saved?

Ephesians 2:7-9
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

What about everyone who has died already who didn't suffer any hardships at all? By some people's definition, they are not saved because they have suffered no great tribulation. That just doesn't make any sense. Jesus said that we would be delivered from the time and hour of God's judgment to "those who dwell on the earth." His great judgment is for those who have rejected Jesus, not for His children. Satan has given Christians plenty of tribulation over the years, and continues to do so even today.

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Revelation 3:10 (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

That is the 'Blessed Hope!'

Titus 2:13 (KJV)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ

I for one, look forward to Jesus' soon appearance, and will try to be as ready as I'm able to be. The invitation is still free & open for any takers. May He arrive quickly.

Maranatha!


Peace.

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I just told you, that there will be more than 1 resurrection. One at the RAPTURE and one at the LAST DAY as the scripture states.

none of the scripture you just cited say specifically that the only time the dead will be raised is the Last Day. It just says that there will definitely will be a resurrection On the Last Day.

Or are you saying the events when Jesus Christ was resurrected after 3 days and many came out of their graves was a lie?

Jesus Christ is the Life and Resurrection. He can raise the dead ANYTIME HE WANTS. Just like He did with LAZARUS. Was THAT the last day? Certainly not. He also raised that little girl who died from the dead and said she was simply asleep. Was that the last day?

By your argument you are saying that resurrection will only take place on the LAST DAY right? Well then the WHOLE BIBLE must be wrong yes and Jesus Christ must be a liar since He raised people left and right from the dead while He walked the Earth and AFTER IT TOO.

well?

oh by the way, Peter also raised people from the dead by the Power of our Lord, Jesus Christ!

God Bless!!!

And here is the verse:

Acts 9: 36 - 42

36In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor. 37About that time she became sick and died, and her body was washed and placed in an upstairs room. 38Lydda was near Joppa; so when the disciples heard that Peter was in Lydda, they sent two men to him and urged him, "Please come at once!"

39Peter went with them, and when he arrived he was taken upstairs to the room. All the widows stood around him, crying and showing him the robes and other clothing that Dorcas had made while she was still with them.

40Peter sent them all out of the room; then he got down on his knees and prayed. Turning toward the dead woman, he said, "Tabitha, get up." She opened her eyes, and seeing Peter she sat up. 41He took her by the hand and helped her to her feet. Then he called the believers and the widows and presented her to them alive. 42This became known all over Joppa, and many people believed in the Lord. 43Peter stayed in Joppa for some time with a tanner named Simon.

Is that what your grandpa said when he was burning jews alive for healthcare? Yea you nazi piece of shit. Shut your mouth.

Yes Jesus did raise the dead, when he went down for three days and arose again, anyone who would debate that does not know their scriptures! Yes, Jesus raised the dead many times during his ministry to show the power and authority of his God Head, I researched the whole of the scriptures about his second coming! If someone wanted to know about his second coming , would you not take his words over anyone elses? since he is going to be the one that is going to be returning for the church? mathew 24 the disciples only asked him two questions in the olivet discourse what would be the sign of your coming and the end of the age. He stated
Matthew 24 (King James Version)

Matthew 24
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25Behold, I have told you before.

26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If you read that it is immediately after the tribulation, he said then you will see the sign of the Son of man appearing to gather his elect, IS NOT GATHERING HIS ELECT THE SAINTS!.

He also said that this would be like the days of noah, you know what the days of noah was, God provided safety for Noah and his family during the destruction he did not whisk them away, mark luke give similar accounts,

If you are asking me do i believe in multiple comings NO i do not, if there was more than a second coming than Christ would have made it clear, you would not have to reach for straws, Just as it stats at the last trumpet , i dont believe in any more trumpets than the last trumpets, neither do i believe in any more days than the last day.

Why did Christ put such an emphasis on not to be deceived,

(2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 KJV) Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Thessalonians just like mathew 24 shows immediately after the tribulation of those days, and thessolonaians that day (coming of our Lord Jesus Christ) will happen until the falling away and the man of sin is revealed and that man of sin is the Antichrist!

(Tangent: Noah's ark was a coffin!)

I've proven to you on every count that you asked with SCRIPTURE the relevance that Jesus Christ can raise the dead anytime He wants.

You have absolutely no wiggle room on that account. The last day is NOT the only day when Jesus Christ can resurrect people from the dead, as He has shown many times that HE is the Resurrection and the Life, The Creator.

Jesus Christ clearly also said that we should be Ready and Watching and pray that we can escape all the things that are coming upon the world, as you say all the horrors of before His coming.

Why would Jesus Christ who is God and All Powerful tell you to PRAY THAT YOU MAY BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS?

If Jesus Christ meant for us to go through the TRIBULATIONS and be killed by the Anti-Christ, He would have said so and HE DID SAY SO, of the TRIBULATION saints as I have shown and backed up with SCRIPTURE in this thread.

No where in SCRIPTURE did Jesus Christ say He would come absolutely ONCE. Where AGAIN is your SCRIPTURE to back up this claim that Jesus Christ said He would come back only ONCE MORE? He simply said that He would come again the same way He went up.

He will come like a thief in the night for the believers in the RAPTURE.

And He will come again finally at the end of the TRIBULATIONS.

All you people should grab that movie "Left Behind".

It is a very accurate depictions of the events that will occur in Revelations.

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He said in the scripture that he would return again, nowhere in the scriptures does he say he state he will come multiple times!

As far as your scripture you needed for your thief in the night, so that you are watching and waiting, just like mark luke, mathew talk about the sun will be darkened the moon not giving its light and the dreadful time when the lord does return

(2 Peter 3:3-14 KJV) Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, {4} And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. {5} For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: {6} Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: {7} But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. {8} But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. {9} The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. {10} But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. {11} Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, {12} Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? {13} Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. {14} Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

Number one why do you think their is scoffers! Take notice the Theif in the night happens when the earth is being burned up? ]But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. {11} Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved,

The point I am trying to make each can believe ever how they want! I am not going to get into the debates that I see others get into that call themselves christians and the stuff and actions that spew out of their mouth speaks contrary! You have not done that and i do not want to engage in that!

We will just agree to disagree! But in my belief, I believe that one must be holy to the lord at all times and ready at all times! But if your point is right then so be it, it will be great for all christians! But if my point is right, then those christians that have become spiritually lazy because they thought they were going to be whisked away out of danger, just may not be ready to stand in the hour of tribulation.

I am a combat vet and I have seen fisthand the difference between talking tough while having a cup of coffee and the difference when things hit the fan! If I am right, the pre tribulation christians are in for a rude awakening! if you are right, then sunshine and peaches for us all, peace to you!

I can make the same arguement that no where in SCRIPTURE did Jesus said He would come ONLY ONCE!

All I'm going to say to you is that the signs of the TRIBULATIONS are everywhere. You wont have to wait long if the RAPTURE is the Truth or Not. But if it is and you didn't believe it and were not ready, then ask yourself, how will you feel?

I answered that question for you if you read my post! 2nd paragraph from the bottom "I believe that one must be holy to the lord at all times and ready at all times!" end quote

If indeed that is true and you entertain the possiblity that the RAPTURE is true, then you should not speak out against it whilst you be held responsible for speaking out against the Word of God, without knowing that you do.

You also realize most the born-again CHURCH believes in the RAPTURE and the authority behind the CHURCH is Jesus Christ.

Be wary that you do not speak out against something that you do not understand just because you feel "strongly" that it will not be.

I feel that those who actively speak out against the message of the RAPTURE and call it the devil's lie and find out it is the TRUTH, than I honestly believe you will be held accountable for the words you spoke that may have lead people away from the Truth by your false testimony.

Therefore Keep Watch and Be Ready and PRAY that you may ESCAPE the things that are soon coming upon the world.

God Bless!!!

There is no debate that i believe about his second coming, to the timing of his coming, me and you agree to disagree!
To my belief of the timing of his coming whether that is pre or post, i have already stated! but that would have absolutely no bearing on a true christian anyway, because a true christian serves him at all times! I would rather you be hot or that you be cold, for if you are lukewarm i will spew you out of my mouth! the scriptures are clear on the holiness and being seperated from this world and any true christian will know that, my doctrinal belief on the timining of his coming in no way dissuades any christian, for they are not to rely on man and if anything what i believe teaches them to live even closer! '
Peace to you!

timing , typo above

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Indeed peace to you also. As I have said, we have but a very little time now to wait.

The jews may do the sacrifice on the Temple Mount this passover. I don't have to remind you how PIVITOL this is to prophecy fulfillment, especially to the implications that the TRIBULATIONS is RIGHT AT THE DOOR.

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God Bless!!!

So let me get this straight...

the Son of God is persecuted and tortured to death...
the apostles are killed...
Christians are eaten by lions for their beliefs...
more Christians are burned and killed....
wars are fought...


but fast forward to this age where the Christians are fat lazy slobs who can't bother to read the Bible (in their native tongue and conveniently printed for them)--and most of them believe in "prosperity" preachers who tell you that God is your personal ATM machine--- but for SOME REASON, these fat lazy slob pseudo Christians will get magically whisked away to avoid any discomfort?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH


Does it even sound a tiny bit logical?

BTW, if any of you care to ACTUALLY study the Bible in detail, you will notice that Revelation was to SHORTLY COME TO PASS.
hmmmm do you think it already happened or is still to come?

what year was Revelation written? What year is it now?

Tribulation is the difficulty of being pulled away from God by all the worldly temptation.

You guys really should read the Word of God instead of watching the Hollywood twisted version with horror special FX.

Seriously.

Almost everything written on GLP is sadly so far off track that it makes my head hurt.

Don't forget... the 144,000 are male virgins. No broads allowed.

Please have a little more respeck when referring to dames, capiche?

to all you self obsessed,self righteous tele evangelist
zenophobic glazed eyed christian fanatics ..

believe it or not .. not EVERYONE believes in that archaic version of the national enquirer that you call the Bible,

But hey.. I even offered to help ya'll pack for the big gig, I'm hoping for YOUR sakes the rapture happens ASAP

The we wont have to endure you mindless repetitive interpretations of a book written by the jews you so hate and a god that is worshipped by the muslims that you all hate as well .

See my point..?
You christians and god lovers of all three religions dont play well together, and are hell bent on wiping each other out in the name of a god who probably is ashamed of you all

killing in the name of god, hoping for the apocaplypse so you can prove god exists .. at the expense of suffering
of the entire human race because of your blind and ignorant beliefs.

God may well be real.. bit I bet he doesnt care about your petty semantics.

^^^^^^
Agreed

Thank you for your Responses! Respectfully, there is not One Rapture or Harpazo or Catching Away but there are several at different times in the Book of Revelation?
Rev 11, two witnesses? Rev 12 the Man Child who is believed to be the Body of Christ... See my teaching on what has been revealed in my studies, and Rev 14 there are two more, one for the Just and then the Wicked are reaped... Something to pray and mediate about....? ;-)

INSIDE THE GATES OF HEAVEN by Oden Hetrick, Google his name and watch his Testimony... He does not have all of the pieces of the Puzzle... We put our pieces together and this is one way the Spirit of Truth guides us into All Truth. He does not reveal everything to everyone. This way we have to grow in unity together and discover things together...

OUTLINE OF END TIME EVENTS


Christians in many lands are suffering tribulation, so what does the Church escape? Christians of all ages have suffered tribulation -- some more, some less. But many American Christians know very little about tribulation even though Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation." John 16:33. It is from the GREAT tribulation that we are promised escape and deliverance -- a three and a half year time of wrath at the end of this age. Revelation 13:5 says it is 'forty-two months.' Daniel 12:7 says it is 'time, times, and half a time.' Daniel's seventy weeks include the atonement for iniquity (Dan.9:24). And Jesus did not fulfill the atonement until after the sixty-ninth week (Dan.9:26). Jesus' three and a half year ministry fulfilled the first half of Daniel's seventieth week, leaving only three and a half years -- the GREAT tribulation -- when Jesus will punish the wicked.

When Jesus spoke to four of his disciples about the end of the age He described four things, events, that will happen in quick succession just before the GREAT tribulation.

1/ CAPTURE OF JERUSALEM
2/ WORLDWIDE DARKNESS
3/ HIS APPEARING and
4/ RAPTURE OF ELECT


After Jesus described 'these things' He said,

"When you see these things,
realize that it (redemption/rapture) is near
even at the doors."
Matthew 24:33

"When these things begin to come to pass...
your redemption (resurrection/rapture) is near."
Luke 21:28

"When you see these things come to pass,
realize that the kingdom (City) of God
is near at hand (soon to appear)."
Luke 21:31

Evidently rapture saints will see 'these things' come to pass. So if you are still here when the world gets dark, don't be afraid; just stay inside, watch, and pray. The darkness will only last about three days; and according to Jesus, your redemption (rapture) will then be very near.

'These things' are outlined below. They follow the beginning of sorrows described in Matthew 24:7-8, Mark 13:8, and Luke 21:9.


PROGRAM OF END TIME EVENTS -- WITH TIME FRAME


1/ CAPTURE OF JERUSALEM

Armies invade Israel and capture Jerusalem in the time frame of a few days.
(see Ezk.38, Joel 2, Zec.14:2-7, Mark 13:14)

"It will be at the same time
when Gog comes against the land of Israel,
says the Lord God,
that my fury will be aroused...
on that day
the land of Israel will be greatly shaken...
and everyone on the face of the earth
will shake at my presence (appearing)."
Ezekiel 38:18-20

"When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
then realize that its desolation is near."
Luke 21:20
(This is the abomination of desolation
spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Dan.9:7.)
(Compare Matthew 24:15.)


2/ WORLDWIDE DARKNESS

Literal darkness will cover the earth for about three days, during which time the earth will be moved out of orbit.
(See Joel 2:1-3, 9-10, 20, 31, Acts 2:20, Rev.6:12-13.)

"Darkness will cover the earth
and gross darkness the people"
Isaiah 60:2

"The day of the Lord is near...
the sun and the moon will be darkened,
and the stars will not shine."
Joel 3:14-16

Jesus said
"The night is coming
when no man can work."
John 9:4

This darkness will immediately follow the invasion tribulation.
(See Psa.18:3-28, 2 Sam. 22:1-27.)

"...a strong people in battle array
...they shall run here and there
in the city (Jerusalem)...
the earth will quake before them:
the sky will tremble:
the sun and the moon and the stars
will be darkened."
Joel 2:5-10

"Immediately following
the tribulation of those days
the sun will be darkened,
the moon will not shine,
and stars (meteorites) will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the sky will be shaken."
Matthew 24:29

(This verse refers to the capture of Jerusalem and the darkness 'immediately following.' Do not change 'tribulation of those days' to GREAT tribulation of three and a half years.)

The earth and planets will be moved out of orbit at this time -- in a time frame of a few days.

"He shakes the earth
out of its place."
Job 9:6

"I will shake the sky (planet area)
and the earth will be moved out of its place,
in the wrath of the Lord of hosts,
in the day of his fierce anger."
Isaiah 13:13


3/ HIS APPEARING

God and Jesus will appear in the sky in the City of God following the darkness. This is the forty-eight hour 'day of the Lord.'
(See Psa.48:1-8, 97:1-6, Isa.40:5, Acts 2:20, Rev.12:10-12, 20:11, 21:2, 22:3.)

"The sun will be darkened,
the moon will give no light,
and stars (meteorites) will fall from the sky,
and the powers of the sky (planet area)
will be shaken. Then
the sign of the Son of Man
will appear in the sky."
Matthew 24:29-30

(The 'sign' is the City and Throne of God.)

"Hereafter you will see the Son of Man
sitting at the right hand of Power
(God on His Throne)
and coming on
(appearing among)
the clouds of the sky."
Matthew 26:64
(see Psa.110:1)


4/ RAPTURE OF ELECT

Rapture immediately follows the appearing -- within an hour or so.
(see Mat.6:13, Mark 13:26-27, Luke 21:36, John 14:3, 1 Thes.4:13-17, 2Tim.4:18, Rev.3:10)

"Then shall appear in the sky
the sign (City) of the Son of Man (Jesus)...
and He will send His angels
with a great trumpet sound,
who will gather together
His elect
from the four winds,
from one end of the sky to another."
Matthew 24:30-31

"We know that
when He appears
we will be like Him."
1 John 3:2
(see Jhn.14:3, Col.3:4, 1Pet.5:4, 1Jhn.2:28)

"Now has come...
the Kingdom (City) of our God,
and the power of His Christ...
therefore rejoice you skies
and you (including raptured saints)
who dwell in them.
But woe to those who
inhabit the earth and the sea!
For the devil
has come down to you,
having great wrath
because he knows
that his time is short
(three and a half years)."
Revelation 12:10


5/ GREAT TRIBULATION

GREAT tribulation follows appearing and rapture. This is the three and a half year 'day of the Lord' or 'time of wrath' -- the things that raptured saints escape. (see Luke 21:36)

"The sun will be turned into darkness
and the moon into blood
before the great and terrible
day of the Lord comes."
Joel 2:31

"The sun became black
as sackcloth of hair,
the moon became as blood,
and stars (meteorites) fell to earth
...and the sky (planet area)
was rolled back like a scroll...
and everyone (left on earth)...hid themselves
in caves and rocks and mountains.
And they cried to the mountains
and to the rocks,
Fall on us and hide us
from the face of Him
who sits on the Throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb.
Because the great day of their wrath
has now come,
and who will be able to stand?"
Revelation 6:12-17

"And he (sea beast) was allowed
to exercise authority for forty-two months
(three and a half years).
And with his mouth
he blasphemed God,
and His Name,
and his dwelling place
and those (including raptured saints)
who dwell in the sky.
And he was allowed
to make war with the saints (on the earth)
and to overcome them."
verse 18 "and his number is 666."
Revelation 13:5-7


So 'these things,' in the question of the disciples, in the answer of Jesus, and 'these things,' that pinpoint the very end of the age, begin with armies invading Israel (Ezk.38).

"When these things begin to come to pass,
lift up your heads and look up,
because your redemption is very near."
Luke 21:28

Our souls must be redeemed now -- washed from sins in Jesus' blood -- our bodies are redeemed when Jesus appears.)

"Behold, I come quickly,
and My reward is with Me
to give every person
according to their work.
Blessed are those
who wash their robes
and keep His commandments,
that they may have right
to the tree of Life
and may enter through the gates
into the City."
Revelation 22:12, 14

"Let us therefore fear,
lest a promise being left to us
of entering into His rest,
any of you should seem
to come short of it."
Hebrews 4:1