The Shroud of Turin: An Update | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 699917 United States 03/22/2010 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/22/2010 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you do care, a LOT, about physical proof. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699917How does this show that I care about physical proof of the existence of Jesus. The study of the shroud does is not about proving if he existed, it is about a possible supernatural image on a shroud. I found an article and is an interesting update. Again, this has nothing to do about your statement on another thread regarding physical proof of Jesus existing. I covered that statement in great detail. I merely created a thread to share an article that offers some updated information that I myself did not know about regarding carbon dating, etc. and clearly labeled it as an update about the shroud, not proof of anything. I am sorry that sharing information so offends you. Feel free to disregard anything I post from here on out. Goodbye. |
rav User ID: 753795 United States 03/22/2010 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/22/2010 11:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Urantia book, in the section on Jesus, explains why there was the reverse negative effect on the shroud. I found the whole section to be extremely interesting, since no other books talked about the life of Jesus from the age of 12 until he was baptized by John. Quoting: rav 753795Thank you rav. I have not read what you are referring to, but I will. Thank you for at least making an effort to share knowledge with me. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/22/2010 11:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you do care, a LOT, about physical proof. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699917Still no knowledge you would like to share with me? You stated in the other thread that Christians would be "REAL surprised", with real in capital letters. I am glad to read what you know, but you do not seem to think it is very important. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/22/2010 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I guess you do care, a LOT, about physical proof. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699917Just for clarification about what I am referring to regarding the above AC. We met on another thread... OP: AND JESUS CHRIST IS REAL (was real) AND HE IS COMING BACK SHORTLY! Anonymous Coward 699917 Oh, I don't doubt Christ was real. But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did. Myself: That statement is meaningless. You are more enlightened than we are? Then enlighten us rather than stating that we are going to be "REAL surprised", and how do you know that we have been lied to about what he really said and did. You know what information that we do not have access to that you do? Fine, bring it... done with this messing around and people acting like they are "light beings" that know the truth. You are a human and so am I, so bring it on... details Anonymous Coward 699917 No, thanks. If you can't do your own homework and read ALL of the Gospels, I'm not gonna discuss religion with you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 699917 Myself: This was your response... so you say you know more than we do, state that we have not done our own homework, and then deny to share what "knowledge" you have that we do not, and then say you are not going to discuss religion with me. I do not care a bit about religion, I care about knowledge and in particular the knowledge that you state that I do not have! So again, share your wisdom or be gone! Now, I am still waiting to find out this bit of information, "But I think Christians are gonna be REAL surprised when they find out how much they have been lied to about what he really said and did". If I made this statement and felt this way, I would want to share the information that I have that others do not. I am still waiting... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 923290 United States 03/23/2010 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 07:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wait. whats wrong with caring a lot about strong physical proof? is there a better kind of proof? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 923290Yay for SCIENCE!!! I understand & I agree. My response to the AC centered around his statement on another thread that I was very concerned about physical proof that Jesus EXISTED. I replied that none of what I find interesting is about needing proof He existed. I look to creation as the only example of proof I need that God exists, and I have faith that Jesus is messiah. I also agree that there is nothing wrong with proof of the work of God, in any and all forms. The Word covers this clearly. Because of this, I have no problem with examining such possible examples as the shroud, but it is not "proof" such as this that I base my faith upon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 918528 United States 03/23/2010 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't Jesus. It's Appolonius of Tyanna. See for yourself. [link to www.apollonius.net] Apollonius was a real person. Jesus wasn't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 918528 United States 03/23/2010 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are not records of history beyond the year 900AD. It was all faked by Scaliger and Petraeus. The printing press was invented at this time and History became a big popular item. And there were plenty of folks willing to write it. There were also artisans who produced "ancient" statues and other items. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 911708 United Kingdom 03/23/2010 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Scientific data conclusively proves that it is not a photograph." It does no such thing! Scientists are simply wrong in thinking that photo-sensitive chemicals were unknown to alchemists in the Middle Ages. They are constantly underestimating the knowledge and skills of people prior to the "official date" of a scientific discovery as recorded in history books. Leonardo da Vinci knew about the camera obscura, writing about it in one of his notebooks. It is quite plausible that he projected light from a corpse he had hung on a cross through a camera obscura onto a cloth soaked in such a chemical. This would explain why the head on the cloth is not to scale. He projected the image of the head separately and got the scale slightly wrong. Evidence for the photography theory was provided several years ago by an Italian physicist who found another faint image of a head on the back of the cloth. This could have a trial run by the creator of the shroud. And don't object that the Shroud of Turin pre-dates Leonardo. There is now plenty of scholarly evidence that the original version was such an obvious fake that the House of Savoy withdrew it from public display for a hundred or more years and that a more realistic version was then created to take its place. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is Mediaeval because that is when ther person died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918528There are not records of history beyond the year 900AD. It was all faked by Scaliger and Petraeus. The printing press was invented at this time and History became a big popular item. And there were plenty of folks willing to write it. There were also artisans who produced "ancient" statues and other items. Thanks for your information. I think you mean prior to 900 AD. This proves nothing, but thanks for the post. Peace |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 08:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918528It's Appolonius of Tyanna. See for yourself. [link to www.apollonius.net] Apollonius was a real person. Jesus wasn't. Thanks also for your post. You may have faith in this info, but it also proves nothing regarding whether it is or is not the actual burial shroud of Jesus and the image on it. Thanks & peace. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Scientific data conclusively proves that it is not a photograph." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911708It does no such thing! Scientists are simply wrong in thinking that photo-sensitive chemicals were unknown to alchemists in the Middle Ages. They are constantly underestimating the knowledge and skills of people prior to the "official date" of a scientific discovery as recorded in history books. Leonardo da Vinci knew about the camera obscura, writing about it in one of his notebooks. It is quite plausible that he projected light from a corpse he had hung on a cross through a camera obscura onto a cloth soaked in such a chemical. This would explain why the head on the cloth is not to scale. He projected the image of the head separately and got the scale slightly wrong. Evidence for the photography theory was provided several years ago by an Italian physicist who found another faint image of a head on the back of the cloth. This could have a trial run by the creator of the shroud. And don't object that the Shroud of Turin pre-dates Leonardo. There is now plenty of scholarly evidence that the original version was such an obvious fake that the House of Savoy withdrew it from public display for a hundred or more years and that a more realistic version was then created to take its place. I appreciate the post. Feel free to add a link to the section I put in bold, especially the section in red. Thanks also... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Scientific data conclusively proves that it is not a photograph." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904504It does no such thing! Scientists are simply wrong in thinking that photo-sensitive chemicals were unknown to alchemists in the Middle Ages. They are constantly underestimating the knowledge and skills of people prior to the "official date" of a scientific discovery as recorded in history books. Leonardo da Vinci knew about the camera obscura, writing about it in one of his notebooks. It is quite plausible that he projected light from a corpse he had hung on a cross through a camera obscura onto a cloth soaked in such a chemical. This would explain why the head on the cloth is not to scale. He projected the image of the head separately and got the scale slightly wrong. Evidence for the photography theory was provided several years ago by an Italian physicist who found another faint image of a head on the back of the cloth. This could have a trial run by the creator of the shroud. And don't object that the Shroud of Turin pre-dates Leonardo. There is now plenty of scholarly evidence that the original version was such an obvious fake that the House of Savoy withdrew it from public display for a hundred or more years and that a more realistic version was then created to take its place. I appreciate the post. Feel free to add a link to the section I put in bold, especially the section in red. Thanks also... Correction... in blue ;-) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 917779 Canada 03/23/2010 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Urantia book, in the section on Jesus, explains why there was the reverse negative effect on the shroud. I found the whole section to be extremely interesting, since no other books talked about the life of Jesus from the age of 12 until he was baptized by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904504Thank you rav. I have not read what you are referring to, but I will. Thank you for at least making an effort to share knowledge with me. You really don't want to read the Urantia Book. Not that it isn't well written... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 904504 United States 03/23/2010 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Urantia book, in the section on Jesus, explains why there was the reverse negative effect on the shroud. I found the whole section to be extremely interesting, since no other books talked about the life of Jesus from the age of 12 until he was baptized by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917779Thank you rav. I have not read what you are referring to, but I will. Thank you for at least making an effort to share knowledge with me. You really don't want to read the Urantia Book. Not that it isn't well written... Thanks, I read everything to know what I believe and at the very least what others do, but this does not mean I will believe it ;-) More detail about why one would not want to read it would be appreciated though... I am interested in what you thing also. Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 176444 United States 03/25/2010 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this the face of Jesus Christ? Figure of crucified man on Shroud comes to life Posted: March 24, 2010 8:30 pm Eastern [link to www.wnd.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Second, genius, it has been proven that a Burst of Light formed the Image - though no one but myself has realized it - because the Image would be out of focus which, in fact, it is for you need to be standing in just the right spot to see the image and at just the right height - this is the spot where all the pictures are taken from... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64895524 Slovenia 01/04/2018 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It takes very little intelligence to realize what a pathetic fake the Turin shroud is. But religious zealots seem to lack basic reasoning abilites so the myth persists. When you flatten a piece of cloth that was previously wrapped around a head you will get a "splattered" image of a face, like a truck went over it. Don't you zealots have even basic spatial perception abilities?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75817416 United States 01/04/2018 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Some Guy User ID: 72916146 United States 01/04/2018 10:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Urantia book, in the section on Jesus, explains why there was the reverse negative effect on the shroud. I found the whole section to be extremely interesting, since no other books talked about the life of Jesus from the age of 12 until he was baptized by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 917779Thank you rav. I have not read what you are referring to, but I will. Thank you for at least making an effort to share knowledge with me. You really don't want to read the Urantia Book. Not that it isn't well written... Thanks, I read everything to know what I believe and at the very least what others do, but this does not mean I will believe it ;-) More detail about why one would not want to read it would be appreciated though... I am interested in what you thing also. Peace Because people on this site are afraid of it even though it aligns with a large percentage of their own theories and beliefs. There was also a previous member who didn't do the book any favors on this site and they hate that person, so they hate the book too. It's all pretty fucking stupid, really. It's a good read and the part about the shroud of Turin is interesting, but I'm still not convinced that the shroud is genuine...and honestly, it would have little affect on my life or belief system either way. But it is interesting nontheless. Last Edited by Some Guy on 01/04/2018 10:15 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75583697 United States 01/04/2018 10:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 10:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It takes very little intelligence to realize what a pathetic fake the Turin shroud is. But religious zealots seem to lack basic reasoning abilites so the myth persists. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64895524 When you flatten a piece of cloth that was previously wrapped around a head you will get a "splattered" image of a face, like a truck went over it. Don't you zealots have even basic spatial perception abilities?? Really, genius, then why don't you publish your findings in a peer reviewed journal? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Urantia book, in the section on Jesus, explains why there was the reverse negative effect on the shroud. I found the whole section to be extremely interesting, since no other books talked about the life of Jesus from the age of 12 until he was baptized by John. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904504Thank you rav. I have not read what you are referring to, but I will. Thank you for at least making an effort to share knowledge with me. You really don't want to read the Urantia Book. Not that it isn't well written... No, you don't - its an insider piece of propaganda shit. And, there is evidence to show Mary apprenticed Jesus out to his uncle Joseph of Arimathaia where he would have travelled to the British Isles, not Asia... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 10:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is Mediaeval because that is when ther person died. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918528 There are not records of history beyond the year 900AD. It was all faked by Scaliger and Petraeus. The printing press was invented at this time and History became a big popular item. And there were plenty of folks willing to write it. There were also artisans who produced "ancient" statues and other items. The Shroud of Turin has over 70 points of congruity with the Oviedo Cloth which had a known date back to at least the third century of this era proving the Shroud is at least that old... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64895524 Slovenia 01/04/2018 10:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It takes very little intelligence to realize what a pathetic fake the Turin shroud is. But religious zealots seem to lack basic reasoning abilites so the myth persists. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64895524 When you flatten a piece of cloth that was previously wrapped around a head you will get a "splattered" image of a face, like a truck went over it. Don't you zealots have even basic spatial perception abilities?? Really, genius, then why don't you publish your findings in a peer reviewed journal? Don't need to. Unlike you, obviously, I'm able to run a thought experiment, but feel free to YT this, for those with ZERO spatial perception abilities it has been demonstrated that when you flatten something that was previously wrapped around a round object, you will not get what we see on the shroud. It's very simple, actually, but I do appreciate religious nutjobs having difficulties with this. They wouldn't be religious otherwise, I guess. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It isn't Jesus. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 918528It's Appolonius of Tyanna. See for yourself. [link to www.apollonius.net] Apollonius was a real person. Jesus wasn't. Thanks also for your post. You may have faith in this info, but it also proves nothing regarding whether it is or is not the actual burial shroud of Jesus and the image on it. Thanks & peace. A coin found on the eyes dates to precisely 32 Ad when Jesus died and not 100 Ad when Apollonius died. Oops... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9047692 United States 01/04/2018 10:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If one reads the bible account, keeping with Jewish ttadition, the Christ had one cloth wrapped on the body and a 2nd cloth on the head. The shroud is one cloth head to toe. That is not what the bible says was the process of burial prep. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75583697 The second cloth I'd the Oviedo Cloth which has over 70 points of congruity with the Shroud - Joseph would have removed it the next morning to confirm I'd before they sealed the tomb.. |