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If our consciousness is immortal, then so are we
That may be quite a heavy realization to absorb all at once, but that does not make it less valid. The reality is that all the layers of our being and existence change in time except the I-consciousness element.

Further, we must necessarily consider this—everything that exists, invariably has in it the quality of its source and origins. So even though we may not be clear what exactly 'consciousness' is, we do know that it has the quality of constancy, it’s nature is of being unchanging.

There are other words to describe this state—permanent, eternal, immortal, forever. You can consult your own personal experience to check the truth of this. On looking everywhere, you will find that this truth is:

It is universal experience that the personal consciousness identity (the 'I'-consciousness) remains constant while the body is constantly changing.

This is proof of reincarnation for each of us--we are of the quality of our I-consciousness: eternal, undying, constant. We are immortal.
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Look up Joe H.Slate.I'm reading a book now called Beyond Reincarnation.Anyone interested it is a very good book and shows you how to look at your past lives and more.

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Many people who accept reincarnation in the West today claim that it can be scientifically proven. They usually ground their belief on past-life recall experiences, which represent the ability of certain persons to recall facts of alleged previous lives. This phenomenon occurs under two distinct forms. One is observed under hypnosis, while regressing certain persons beyond the date of birth. The other is produced by some children who spontaneously remember a previous life identity, amazing their neighbors with specific details that match those of the life of a deceased person. Could these experiences really be proofs for reincarnation?



Hypnotic regression as proof for reincarnation


Hypnosis can be defined as a method of inducing an altered state of consciousness, which causes a person to become very receptive to the hypnotist’s suggestions. This method has been used in psychoanalysis for treating psychic diseases by evoking the painful events which caused them in the past (especially during childhood) and then by transmitting suggestions meant to heal them. Although there are some encouraging results in using it as a psychiatric therapy, it is a fact that hypnosis can mix fantasy with real memories or that it can even create entirely fictitious episodes. In deep states of hypnosis, some subjects have had out-of-body experiences and claimed to have traveled in mysterious spiritual realms. Others have had a mystical experience of oneness with the universe.

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Reincarnation has been called by some to be the greatest unknown scientific discovery today. In the last chapter of Dr. Ian Stevenson's book entitled Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation (1967), he provides rigorous scientific reasoning to show how reincarnation is the only viable explanation that fits the facts of his study. He considers every possible alternative explanation for his twenty cases of young children who were spontaneously able to describe a previous lifetime as soon as they learned to talk. He was able to rule out each alternative explanation using one or more aspects of these cases. Later research has even bolstered his case in favor of the existence of reincarnation. His study is also completely reproducible which means that anybody who doubts the validity of this study is perfectly welcome to repeat it for themselves. I believe it is only a short matter of time before his discovery of the existence of reincarnation is finally realized by the scientific community and the world to be accepted as one of the greatest scientific discoveries of all time.

Many people have misconceptions about reincarnation. One particular misconception is that it means we don't dwell in heaven between reincarnations or that we immediately reincarnate after death. Near-death experiences prove this misconception to be just that - a misconception. This is because time as we know it does not exist in the spirit world. A person can literally spend an "eternity" in the spirit realms, if they wish to do so, and have the freedom to decide if they want to reincarnate or not. The ultimate goal of reincarnation is to learn enough lessons from Earth lives that reincarnation is no longer necessary. For more information about reincarnation and the NDE, visit my research conclusions on this subject.
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5 stars for bringing something more meaty to glp.
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You can actully put yourself into hypnosis and find your own past lives with no help from anyone else.

The power is within yourself to do this.
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Hey guys,

I just did the most interesting interview with Stephan Schwartz. For lack of a better word, it was explosive.

Stephan, as a mind-consciousness researcher and scientist, has scientific data and a wealth of scientific literature that proves our consciousness resides outside of the time-space continuum, thus making things like remote viewing a possible feat which science can no longer deny.

While I'm editing this very special interview, I want to share with you a mind-blowing piece of research that Stephan mentioned during the interview.

Stephan talked about this research done by Dr. Ian Stevenson, who has scientifically proven that reincarnation exist!


In fact, Dr. Stevenson has probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of data that provides scientific proof that reincarnation is real. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead embarked on a rather curious, spontaneous method that I know you'd find interesting.

You can read more about it here >>
In the meantime, take note that Dr. Ian Stevenson's work on reincarnation is just one of the many things that Stephan was talking about in the interview.

So look out for my next email. I will be in touch as soon as the full interview is edited and ready!

Cheers,

Michael Jura
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Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is real, is the life's work of Dr. Ian Stevenson. Instead of relying on hypnosis to verify that an individual has had a previous life, he instead chose to collect thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life. Dr. Ian Stevenson uses this approach because spontaneous past life memories in a child can be investigated using strict scientific protocols. Hypnosis, while useful in researching into past lives, is less reliable from a purely scientific perspective. In order to collect his data, Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.

Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.

Dr. Stevenson's credentials are impeccable. He is a medical doctor and had many scholarly papers to his credit before he began paranormal research. He is the former head of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia, and now is Director of the Division of Personality Studies at the University of Virginia.

In order to help the reader become familiar with Dr. Stevenson's work, a 1988 Omni Magazine Interview is reprinted below. Following the interview is a summary of one of Dr. Stevenson's most famous cases.

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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.
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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

In the spirit we are all equal.We all have our individuality but are all connected.Think of the internet.
We are all connected to the greater whole but still have individuality.


There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.
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I percieve the one you refer to as the Divine(God) which we branched off,or whatever you call the Ultimate piece.
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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

In the spirit we are all equal.We all have our individuality but are all connected.Think of the internet.
We are all connected to the greater whole but still have individuality.


There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.


I percieve the one you refer to as the Divine(God) which we branched off,or whatever you call the Ultimate piece.
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But, even as spirits, we could not know everything or learn everything without knowing what it feels like to be any other individual spirit.. get what I mean? It's just another level of consciousness at that point, not the end result.

It means there is another level above the spirit, if you will. They are all individual parts of a whole as well. The whole itself being "god", or consciousness. I'm not sure you understood what I was saying based on your first response, no offense :)
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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

In the spirit we are all equal.We all have our individuality but are all connected.Think of the internet.
We are all connected to the greater whole but still have individuality.


There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.


I percieve the one you refer to as the Divine(God) which we branched off,or whatever you call the Ultimate piece.
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cool thread op

:peace2:

hf
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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

One values what is learned at the time of death of the body.
As the spirit moves on.This has been stated by thousands of near death expeariances.The question at the time of your movement on is what have you learned?


There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

In my belief and research I classify the whole as the Divine or what religions might think as God.Not a anthropomorphic God though.
A metaphysical.


Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.
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Or how about the human body is inhabited by our soul or energy?

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As i just wrote another thread deadly similar to the concepts here.. I have to pose a question. Or rather, an observation.

If we can supposedly stay in the spirit realm as long as we want, until we "learn enough lessons from earth" as was stated...

How does one measure the value of lessons learned here, and furthermore, is it not true that there is an infinite amount of information to be learned? This seems like an indiscrepancy in the idea of individual spirits or souls going on a journey. Like, "bits of consciousness incarnating". How can there be individual spirits? Surely they themselves must be a part of the whole as well. Then what experiences THEIR experiences in the spirit realm? Another level of consciousness?

In the spirit we are all equal.We all have our individuality but are all connected.Think of the internet.
We are all connected to the greater whole but still have individuality.


There must just be one complete whole... That is simultaneously experiencing everything, but since everything implies that there is a start and end to the amount of information... it must be experiencing the infinite, all the time. Again, including ourselves, we are all individual pieces of experience.

Children speaking about past lives? I don't disagree it's a possibility, but I'm wary to say that they, or us, are inhabited by individual spirits or even souls. There can only be one soul in everything. One soul experiencing everything.


I percieve the one you refer to as the Divine(God) which we branched off,or whatever you call the Ultimate piece.


cool thread op

:peace2:

hf
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Thankyou!May you learn!What you already knew!

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Just what is reincarnation? It is the belief that each of us goes through a series of lifetimes for the purpose of spiritual growth and soul development. Cayce’s approach does not include the concept of transmigration, which states that it is possible for human beings to be born again as animals. From the standpoint of the Cayce material, souls only occupy human bodies through their spiritual growth and developmental process.

In essence, the Cayce approach to reincarnation provides a philosophical setting to the past focusing on practical ways of dealing with this life: living, growing, and being of service to one another in the present. For him it wasn’t nearly as important to who individuals had once been, or even what they had been doing, as it was paramount that they focus on the present and the opportunities and challenges that faced them in this time, in this place, right now.

In terms of remembering your own past lives, the Edgar Cayce information provides a variety of approaches. In fact, oftentimes individuals who received readings would ask about such things as memorable dreams that were on their mind, personal traits and talents that they had always been drawn to, and even intense positive or negative relationships with other people in their lives – Cayce described how each of these things could be tied to past-life memories. With these things in mind, in order to remember your own past lives the Cayce readings recommend such things as personal inventories of your talents, abilities, likes, and dislikes; working with meditation and dreams; taking part in imaginative past-life reveries or self-hypnosis, and so forth.

From Cayce’s perspective, the reason for believing in reincarnation is not so that we can dwell upon the past or brag about the possibility of once having been someone famous, instead it is to enable a soul to understand the consequences of previous choices and to know that each individual is ultimately responsible for shaping and creating his or her life in the present. From the Cayce readings’ perspective, the past merely provided a framework of potentials and probabilities. An individual’s choices, actions, and free will in the present would determine the actual experience lived this time around. Rather than being a fatalistic approach to life, it is much more one of nearly limitless opportunities.

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One values what is learned at the time of death of the body.
As the spirit moves on.This has been stated by thousands of near death expeariances.The question at the time of your movement on is what have you learned?
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I agree with you entirely, the essence from whence we came moves on after death. I suppose I have to research NDE's more to see exactly what they describe, and I'm not totally *against* the idea of individual spirits either. Merely seems like there must be a further level of completion above individual, learning souls as well, encompassing all of them too.

In my belief and research I classify the whole as the Divine or what religions might think as God.Not a anthropomorphic God though.
I agree, the concept of the literal biblical God does not make sense. The bible, from what I've read in it, is entirely metaphorical. It explains exactly what we're talking about "between the lines" so to speak. It is, however, easy to be taken and given literally, thus assigning a certain level of control that one is able to gain while harnessing it in that fashion ;)


Or how about the human body is inhabited by our soul or energy?

Yes, or.. The human body IS our soul, or energy. All matter is vibration, ourselves included. In fact, everything is vibration, thoughts included (brainwaves). The spiritual realm perhaps exists at some level in this vibrational state.
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5 stars op...good one!
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5 stars op...good one!
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Thankyou!Feel free to post anything or stories about reincarnation expeariances.
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I like Stevenson research.
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Well in one of my last past lives I was a hole digger for prisoners.I had to dig a hole for them.

They stopped the prisoners from digging they're own holes after awhile.

Because they would dig and get away so they hired workers to dig them.
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back before they're were prisons in America they stuck the felon in a hole in the ground for so many days or months.
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Well in one of my last past lives I was a hole digger for prisoners.I had to dig a hole for them.

They stopped the prisoners from digging they're own holes after awhile.

Because they would dig and get away so they hired workers to dig them.
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it is your karma...grasshopper
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Well in one of my last past lives I was a hole digger for prisoners.I had to dig a hole for them.

They stopped the prisoners from digging they're own holes after awhile.

Because they would dig and get away so they hired workers to dig them.

it is your karma...grasshopper
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Karma is learning.
I'm sure I told a few of those prisoners about reincarnation.

It is just now that we are all prisoners.
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I have never had a past life regression but from a few experiences I have had I do believe in it. I think that I was a Native American centuries ago. Ever since I was little I have had a strange affinity for Native Americans and they for me.

About a year ago I met a Native American in a business capacity and we were talking business when he said, "You've had a past life as a Native American." It was out of the blue and really surprised me. We hadn't even mentioned anything about Native Americans before that.

I have also had many dreams about a Native American life over the years.

But the strangest reincarnation experience I have had is one of the future. I've had very realistic dreams that occurred in sequence about a life in a futuristic setting. The dreams were almost like a t.v. serial where things would pick up where they had left off the night before.

I had these dreams nightly for months.

It wasn't anything exciting - just day to day life with a husband and a baby but I was very happy. I know it's a future life because the houses, cars, everything is different.

The shocker was that I met that future husband in real life - at a party. I think he had a strange feeling also because he kept staring at me until we were introduced. We are both encumbered so it's not meant for this life. I have never seen him since except at that one party. It really shocked me to meet someone I had dreamt about for months.
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I have never had a past life regression but from a few experiences I have had I do believe in it. I think that I was a Native American centuries ago. Ever since I was little I have had a strange affinity for Native Americans and they for me.

About a year ago I met a Native American in a business capacity and we were talking business when he said, "You've had a past life as a Native American." It was out of the blue and really surprised me. We hadn't even mentioned anything about Native Americans before that.

I have also had many dreams about a Native American life over the years.

But the strangest reincarnation experience I have had is one of the future. I've had very realistic dreams that occurred in sequence about a life in a futuristic setting. The dreams were almost like a t.v. serial where things would pick up where they had left off the night before.

I had these dreams nightly for months.

It wasn't anything exciting - just day to day life with a husband and a baby but I was very happy. I know it's a future life because the houses, cars, everything is different.

The shocker was that I met that future husband in real life - at a party. I think he had a strange feeling also because he kept staring at me until we were introduced. We are both encumbered so it's not meant for this life. I have never seen him since except at that one party. It really shocked me to meet someone I had dreamt about for months.
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Make a leaf out of a napkin.
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If our consciousness is immortal, then so are we.
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During meditation or other similar procedures of "expanding" consiousness there are parts of the neurophysiology of the brain that appear to be more active whereas areas of the brain related to our perception of ego and self get halted. If those parts of the brain that our responsible for the realization of consiousness wither and die what happens to our "immortal" consiousness? Do you know of the numerous malfunctions that can occur in these areas and how they relate to problems in the "immortal" consiousness of the self? How can something be immortal when it needs physical / material ways in order to manifest itself? How can consiousness escape / transend it's own death?
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And if you try to answer my questions above first try to focus on what instict motivates you to give an answer on my critisism on the mortality of consiousness...Fear of Death. The power that motivates everything.
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If our consciousness is immortal, then so are we.



During meditation or other similar procedures of "expanding" consiousness there are parts of the neurophysiology of the brain that appear to be more active whereas areas of the brain related to our perception of ego and self get halted. If those parts of the brain that our responsible for the realization of consiousness wither and die what happens to our "immortal" consiousness? Do you know of the numerous malfunctions that can occur in these areas and how they relate to problems in the "immortal" consiousness of the self? How can something be immortal when it needs physical / material ways in order to manifest itself? How can consiousness escape / transend it's own death?
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