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Reincarnation

 
danhow  (OP)

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04/02/2010 04:16 AM
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And if you try to answer my questions above first try to focus on what instict motivates you to give an answer on my critisism on the mortality of consiousness...Fear of Death. The power that motivates everything.
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Once you know that they're is no death there is no fear.
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04/02/2010 04:22 AM
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And if you try to answer my questions above first try to focus on what instict motivates you to give an answer on my critisism on the mortality of consiousness...Fear of Death. The power that motivates everything.


Once you know that they're is no death there is no fear.
 Quoting: danhow


You can understand the paradox of your notion with this 5 points of mine:


1) Nothing exists unless it materializes. For example love exists between two people or groups because it materializes. Two people could think that they love each other yet if love is not manifested in their relationship it's just an illusion.

2) Practically any kind of higher consiousness needs a finite number of individuals (as a supression of their ego) in order to materialize. The more individuals are "tuned" to this wave of consiousness that transends them the more this consiousness flourishes and manifests itself. Individuals are always the building blocks of something higher. Therefore there can be no higher consiousness realization without the use of a finite number of individuals acting as receptors of it's awakening wave. As a result consiousness is bounded by the physical and finite realm in such a way as to be limited by the same blocks that make it manifest.

3) An experience of immortality cannot in any way be centered at an individual. This notion contradicts itself. Whatever experience an individual has of "omnipotence and infinity" is bound to be just a fragmented experience. The moment the individual identifies his experience as part of himself that moment his experience becomes limited.

4) Consequently there is no end in life. There is no end in the spiral of existence. How can that be? By the moment there is a consious realization of the highest degree of an "end" or an "appex" of possible higher existence that very moment that consiousness becomes physical and limited and part of an individual perception.

5) Consequently trully bountless and immortal consiousness requires the complete death of an individual as well as the end of the finite / bounded space in which the individual originates. An individual reincarnates in search of a higher peak of finite "immortality" until that individual realizes the futility of his own existence.

In other words you can possibly know that there is no death and still be an individual. You are still hoping that there is no death!

wink
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04/02/2010 04:24 AM
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[link to www.getting-positive-karma-now.com]

If our consciousness is immortal, then so are we
That may be quite a heavy realization to absorb all at once, but that does not make it less valid. The reality is that all the layers of our being and existence change in time except the I-consciousness element.
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Better you realize that you are your consciousness first, before you go preaching to other people about what they should.
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07/27/2010 02:32 PM
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Re: Reincarnation
And if you try to answer my questions above first try to focus on what instict motivates you to give an answer on my critisism on the mortality of consiousness...Fear of Death. The power that motivates everything.


Once you know that they're is no death there is no fear.


You can understand the paradox of your notion with this 5 points of mine:


1) Nothing exists unless it materializes. For example love exists between two people or groups because it materializes. Two people could think that they love each other yet if love is not manifested in their relationship it's just an illusion.

2) Practically any kind of higher consiousness needs a finite number of individuals (as a supression of their ego) in order to materialize. The more individuals are "tuned" to this wave of consiousness that transends them the more this consiousness flourishes and manifests itself. Individuals are always the building blocks of something higher. Therefore there can be no higher consiousness realization without the use of a finite number of individuals acting as receptors of it's awakening wave. As a result consiousness is bounded by the physical and finite realm in such a way as to be limited by the same blocks that make it manifest.

3) An experience of immortality cannot in any way be centered at an individual. This notion contradicts itself. Whatever experience an individual has of "omnipotence and infinity" is bound to be just a fragmented experience. The moment the individual identifies his experience as part of himself that moment his experience becomes limited.

4) Consequently there is no end in life. There is no end in the spiral of existence. How can that be? By the moment there is a consious realization of the highest degree of an "end" or an "appex" of possible higher existence that very moment that consiousness becomes physical and limited and part of an individual perception.

5) Consequently trully bountless and immortal consiousness requires the complete death of an individual as well as the end of the finite / bounded space in which the individual originates. An individual reincarnates in search of a higher peak of finite "immortality" until that individual realizes the futility of his own existence.

In other words you can possibly know that there is no death and still be an individual. You are still hoping that there is no death!

wink
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 926109


None of your little points can disprove or explain away the work of Dr. Ian Stevenson and Dr. Jim Tucker at the University of Virginia. Case study after case study confirming that these children are indeed remembering things that they could not possibly have known if it weren't for reincarnation. So, you can try to reason it away all you want, but that doesn't erase the evidence of reincarnation. Sorry.
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07/29/2010 05:07 AM
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I don't mind being reincarnated. I just don't want to come back to this shithole of a planet.
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07/29/2010 04:58 PM
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[link to blog.learnremoteviewing.com]

Good REading OP. Thanks for sharing the above website.
Full Circle

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07/29/2010 05:04 PM
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I percieve the one you refer to as the Divine(God) which we branched off,or whatever you call the Ultimate piece.
 Quoting: danhow



Me too! We are all just branches growing from the Trunk. We get our LIFE from that trunk.

It's a symbiotic relationship. The roots provide us with nourishment (and stability), while we reach out and capture new air and sunlight and space.

Last Edited by Full Circle on 07/29/2010 05:06 PM
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We create echoes of our inward yearnings
And Shift along the Axis
From matter to Spirit
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