And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit...

How about copying in something a bit lighter next time? Maybe some Winnie the Pooh? Or some nice poetry?

It would make as much sense, and more people would read it.

not my belief choice, but thanks anyway

Hello Norseman, What I believe you are refering to from Rev. relates to the opening of the way to what this world understands as alien invasion! I believe it is not far away! Notice how the star mentioned is obviously a personality? And this personality has the power, (key), to open the bottomless pit!

Does that relate to the fifth seal by any chance?

Alien invasion? Fifth seal??

Ah, I get it now - we´re going to be invaded by seal-people from the planet Splash! And their leader is known as the "The Fifth Seal" (although I´m not sure what happened to the other 4).

Still, as long as we keep a good supply of fish and beach balls ready, we can keep them happy.

AC 6874
I believe that the quote relates to the sounding of the sixth angel which occures during the time of the seventh seal being opened.

My apologies - I meant the fifth angel!

>and he opened the bottomless pit and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.<

And it was my badass Texas BBQ pit causing all this ruckus. Sorry, I´ll try and tone it down.

Sounds more like a large meteor impact awakening a very powerful volcano.

Hmmmm....Sumatra? There are rumors that the December quake and tsunami were caused by an impact. And, now many of the volcanoes over there are waking up....

your planets doomed. looking forward to judgement day. 05/05/05

Revelation schedule:
(Started when Yeshua returned to The Father)

Seal 1 - white horse w/rider
Seal 2 - red horse w/rider
Seal 3 - black horse w/rider and follower
Seal 4 - pale (green?) horse w/rider
Seal 5 - Martyred of Yeshua under the Altar
Seal 6 - Word expecting The Wrath to come

Seal 7:
Trumpet 1 - 1/3 earth affected
Trumpet 2 - 1/3 sea affected
Trumpet 3 - 1/3 rivers and springs affected
Trumpet 4 - 1/3 sun-moon-stars affected

Trumpet 5 - 1st Woe - "star" fallen from sky, opens shaft
Trumpet 6 - 2nd Woe - 1/3 mankind killed - hour/day/month/year
Trumpet 7 - 3rd Woe - 1260 days/42 months/3-1/2 years

(at the very end of Trumpet 7):
Bowl 1 - plague on land
Bowl 2 - plague on sea
Bowl 3 - plague on rivers/springs
Bowl 4 - plague on sun
Bowl 5 - plague on throne of beast
Bowl 6 - plague on Euphrates
Bowl 7 - plague into the air

[link to home.centurytel.net]

Here is another perspective from www.hiddenmeanings.com




"And then there comes the opening of the 5th seal or the 5th chakra as the change continues to come over the individual. This is very difficult to understand when you make the mistake that so many in religious circles make and that is to take this literally.



Revelation 6: 9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled



What this literally appears like is the location of a room or chamber under the altar area where people who have been killed for their religious faith wait. These people are getting a bit stressed about being confined in a room under an altar and start yelling out for revenge against the people on the earth who killed them.



So in order to placate them and calm them down their given white robes and told to relax and take it easy until other people who are friends of theirs still on the earth get killed and join them.






But what happens when you begin to consider this information not in the realm of the physical but in the realm of the invisible. We are not talking about people stuffed in a room under an altar waiting for something to happen. We are talking about an element of the mind, an element inside of you that is electrical in nature and is fed either by the lower physical surroundings or the invisible light from above.



The altar is the place of sacrifice. Under the altar is the vault or cave. This is the place according to that scripture where one finds the souls.






What is an altar? Why is there an altar ? What purpose does it serve? This is the 5th seal and it talks about looking under the altar.



An altar is a thing in church where they put candles and they conduct ceremonies etc. Common sense tells you that Revelation is not talking about that. That’s part of a building ?







An altar is a place where initially the superstitious religious person would kill an animal and sacrifice that animal to some god in the sky in the hope that the God in the sky would like him and excuse him from being such a nerd.



Since the beginning of time people have always looked for some way to get on the good side of a God and they began by killing animals and offering them to the God and the slaughter house killing table was referred to as an altar.






The altar in question had a fire so that after the animal was killed it would be placed on the fire and the smell would rise up and be considered a sweet smelling incense to God. That is why we have incense burning in churches. It has its roots in cooking a steak.



So the altar is the place where the animal is killed, and a place of fire.



Let me show you a couple of Biblical scriptures concerning this altar of fire which is referred to here in Revelation.






Genesis 8:20. And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

21. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man´s sake; for the imagination of man´s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.



So you see where this began.



First was the Baptism of Water in the Noah Flood, and then the Baptism of fire in this animal sacrifice.



Also notice how God gets so turned on by the small of the steak cooking that he repents. I will never do this again. Now pass the filet mignon.



Now you have to ask yourself. Does common sense allow you to take this literally. I mean would a God up in the sky get turned on because some dude is cooking steaks in the desert.

Hardly.



But this is basically the course crazy religion took for a long time. Bringing animals in to church to be sacrificed and offered as a burnt offering. Even the Bible was turned off by this.






Isaiah 1:11. To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

15. And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.



So here is the Bible itself finally saying, hey, you got this all screwed up. I did not mean actually killing animals. I mean, who taught you that this is what I wanted. I don’t even want to look at people who do this kind of stuff. Whats wrong with you.?




I wonder who that´s gonna be ??



So Christianity came along and said that God is not turned on by killing animals, he needs a human sacrifice and so hey misinterpreted the mythology of Jesus in the same way that the ancient others misinterpreted the mythology of Animal sacrifice.





Revelation 6: 9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled





So now we know that the altar is not for killing animals and yet what else would it be for. The 5th seal opening refers to those under the altar who were slain for the word of God.



The altar is a symbol in the same way that Baptism is a symbol and crucifixion is a symbol and resurrection is a symbol, and the whole Bible is a symbol. It means something else.






The altar is a mystical invisible place inside of you where the animal nature of you is sacrificed. When you come into meditation to separate from thought you are coming into meditation to separate from yourself, from your personality, from your beliefs, from your traditions.



The altar is the mind and deep within your mind you bring your physical nature and all that it has accumulated from that which is your home, your religion, your family, your government etc etc, and you sacrifice by separating from thought and you allow it to be killed so you may be recreated with a new mind.

Now the burnt offering also takes place there on that mystical altar of meditation. So how does this work.






We have been through this before but the altar is the place of the sacrifice in fire which makes a sweet smell to the Lord. This is how.



In Greek there are 5 stages of consciousness. Lets look at them.












This is the process of meditation and what is being referred to in the Bible. First you have
the earth which is your physical body. You rise in meditation as you submit yourself to the quiet and inner light and you enter the 2nd stage referred to as water.




That is Baptism. The Real meaning of Baptism.



As wrong as the ancients were with taking the killing of animals literally the Christians are by taking Baptism literally.



The next stage of consciousness is air. That is when you separate from thought and you drift in what appears to be nothingness. The Bible says we will rise to meet Jesus in the Air. This is what it is referring to.



The next stage of meditation is where we come to the altar of fire. The fourth stage is fire and this is where the personality of the earth is consumed and becomes a sweet odor to God because finally the change is being allowed by you as a result of this sacrifice on the altar.



The fifth stage is the renewed mind where you are changed from the earth person to the light person. So there is your fire altar and that is what the 5th seal opens you up to."

And now you know the rest of the story.

When the darkness of our minds is subjected to God´s light, we see the bottomless pit that we have created. Initially, as our minds are purified, the process creates lot of smoke (confusion) that eventually clears away.

It´s a story about our awakening.

"...

And the fifth angel sounded
And the stars of heaven fell onto the earth
Like figs from fig tree
Shaken by a mighty wind.

And the sixth angel sounded
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together.
And over the whole earth there was not one tree,
Nor one flower, nor one blade of grass.
And I stood on the earth,
And my feet sank into the soil,
soft and thick with blood,
Stretching as far as the eye could see.
And all over the earth was silence.

And the seventh angel sounded.
And I saw a mighty being come down from Heaven,
Clothed with a cloud;
And a rainbow on his head,
And his face was as is it were the Sun,
And his feet were pillars of fire.
And he had in his hand a book open:
And he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
And he cried with aloud voice, which was wondrous to hear:
´O Man, would you have this vision come to pass?´
And I answered, ´You know I would do anything
So that these terrible things might not come to pass.´

And he spoke: "Man has created these powers of destruction.
He has made them from his own mind.
He has turned his face away
From the angels of the Heavenly Father and the Earthly Mother,
And he has fashioned his own destruction."

And I spoke: "Then is there no hope, bright angel?"
And a blazing light streamed like a river from his hands
As he answered, "There is always hope,
O thou for whom Heaven and Earth were created."

And then the angel,
He who stood upon the sea and upon the earth,
Lifted up his hand to heaven,
And swore by him who lives for ever and ever,
Who created heaven and the things that therein are,
And the Earth, and the things that therein are,
And the sea, and the things that are therein,
That there should be time no longer:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
When he shall begin to sound,
The mystery of God should be revealed to those
Who have eaten from the Tree of Life
Which stands forever in the Eternal Sea.

...

And again my vision changed,
And I heard the voices of the holy brotherhood raised in song,
Saying, "Come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Law."
And I saw the Holy City,
And the brothers were streaming to it.
And the city had no need of the sun,
Neither of the moon to shine on it:
For the glory of God did lighten it.

And I saw the pure river of the Water of Life,
Clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God.
And in the middle of the river stood the Tree of Life,
Which bore fourteen kinds of fruits,
And yielded her fruit to those who would eat of it,
And the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And there shall be no night there;
And they need no candle, neither light of the sun,
For the Lord gives them light:
And they shall reign for ever and ever.

I have reached the inner vision
And through thy spirit in me
I have heard thy wondrous secret.
Through thy mystic insight
Thou hast caused a spring of knowledge
To well up within me,
A fountain of power pouring forth living waters;
A flood of love and all embracing wisdom
Like the splendour of eternal light."


[link to exodus2006.com]

I won´t be here for all. Not appointed to wrath. The rapture is upon us!

The book of revelations is a summary of what has already been told. No more. To understand it you must understand what has already been told.

The opening of the seals is a repeat of Jesus being asked what are the signs of the last days. The four horses are four plagues that would be released when Isreal would become a nation again of (1948). There are at least 7 places in scripture that tell this in its own way.

aye the end the end it has been for told from ages of old, don´t we ever wonder it isn´t the end, but a new beginning

There is a star gazer up in the heavens. Her beutifulness holds the key of truth. Listen to her. She represents Mother Earth. I represent all.

...but like all things made in Taiwan, the key broke. Next time, check for the Union Label.





; )

Phrofecy is a maybe! It´s what MAY be not what will.

Nothing is written in stone until it happens.

Those who think otherwise are naive.

Don´t ever forget that!

EC

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the alter the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held.

Have you guys ever considered that the 7 seals contain previews of what the 7 trumps fullfill.
The fifth trump is satan´s arrival, the fifth seal mentions waiting until the rest of their brethern are killed. This could be the two witnesses from Ch 11 alone (like they are the only two Saints on Earth for the trib) We know for sure that they are killed and lay dead for 3 1/2 days;
Da:7:25:
And he shall speak great words against the most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times and laws:
and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

How about Christians, are they saints? I tend to see us as the last in this group (them that fear);

Re:11:18:
And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The sixth seal and the sixth trump are also similar although the seal would seem to fit with the end of the sixth trump which covers 37 of satan´s 42 months.

Do the rest of the seals/trumps mesh, not if you see the rider and white horse in the first seal as being anything other than God Himself and the Holy Spirit.

good for you

Fuck off with the religious bullshit asshole.

amen