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Transplant patients sometimes take on part of their donors’ personalities.

Glenda lost her husband, David, in a car crash. She made his organs available for transplant. A few years later, as part of a study by neuropsychologist Paul Pearsall, she met the young Spanish-speaking man who had received her late husband’s heart. Filled with emotion, Glenda asked if she could lay her hand on his chest. “I love you, David,” she said. “Everything’s copa­cetic.”

The young man’s mother, also present, was startled. “My son uses that word now,” she said. “He never said it before his heart transplant. I don’t know that word; it doesn’t exist in Spanish. But it was the first thing he said after the operation.”

Her son appeared to have changed in other ways too. Before, he had been a health-conscious vegetarian; now he craved meat and greasy food. He had loved heavy metal music; now he played nothing but fifties rock ’n’ roll. Glenda’s husband had been an ardent meat-lover and played in a rock ’n’ roll band.

Does the heart have a memory? Is part of an organ donor’s personality also transferred to the recipient in a transplant? Yes, contends Pearsall in his book The Heart’s Code, which provides other remarkable examples of transplanted hearts with memories.

An 8-year-old girl received the heart of a 10-year-old girl who had been murdered. The recipient ended up at a psychiatrist’s office, plagued by nightmares about her donor’s murderer. She said she knew who the man was. After a few sessions, the psychiatrist decided to notify the police. Following the girl’s instructions, they tracked down the murderer. The man was convicted on evidence she had provided the first clues about: the time, the weapon, the place, the clothes he wore, what his victim told him. Everything the girl said turned out to be true.

Pearsall’s book is based on 73 heart-transplant cases in which parts of the donors’ personalities appear to have been transferred to the recipients.

Pearsall argues that the brain is not the only centre of human intelligence. The heart, he says, carries equal importance. He posits that the body is made up of cells that transmit “information.” Cells communicate this information to each other electromagnetically. Thus a transplanted organ can continue to broadcast old information, something like amputees’ experience of pain in lost limbs. Phenomena like these suggest cells have memories.

Critics deny the existence of proof that memories can be transplanted along with organs, and fear such assertions will cause donor numbers to fall. Some non-believers attribute personality changes in transplant recipients to the heavy drugs they must take to prevent organ rejection.

But what should we make of the documented story of an 8-year-old Jewish boy who died in a car wreck? His death was the salvation of a 3-year-old Arab girl with a dangerous heart condition. As soon as the girl woke up from the anaesthesia after surgery, she asked by name for a type of Jewish candy she could not have known existed.

Pearsall’s book raises fascinating questions that shake the foundations of science
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Transplant patients sometimes take on part of their donors’ personalities.

Glenda lost her husband, David, in a car crash. She made his organs available for transplant. A few years later, as part of a study by neuropsychologist Paul Pearsall, she met the young Spanish-speaking man who had received her late husband’s heart. Filled with emotion, Glenda asked if she could lay her hand on his chest. “I love you, David,” she said. “Everything’s copa­cetic.”

The young man’s mother, also present, was startled. “My son uses that word now,” she said. “He never said it before his heart transplant. I don’t know that word; it doesn’t exist in Spanish. But it was the first thing he said after the operation.”

Her son appeared to have changed in other ways too. Before, he had been a health-conscious vegetarian; now he craved meat and greasy food. He had loved heavy metal music; now he played nothing but fifties rock ’n’ roll. Glenda’s husband had been an ardent meat-lover and played in a rock ’n’ roll band.

Does the heart have a memory? Is part of an organ donor’s personality also transferred to the recipient in a transplant? Yes, contends Pearsall in his book The Heart’s Code, which provides other remarkable examples of transplanted hearts with memories.

An 8-year-old girl received the heart of a 10-year-old girl who had been murdered. The recipient ended up at a psychiatrist’s office, plagued by nightmares about her donor’s murderer. She said she knew who the man was. After a few sessions, the psychiatrist decided to notify the police. Following the girl’s instructions, they tracked down the murderer. The man was convicted on evidence she had provided the first clues about: the time, the weapon, the place, the clothes he wore, what his victim told him. Everything the girl said turned out to be true.

Pearsall’s book is based on 73 heart-transplant cases in which parts of the donors’ personalities appear to have been transferred to the recipients.

Pearsall argues that the brain is not the only centre of human intelligence. The heart, he says, carries equal importance. He posits that the body is made up of cells that transmit “information.” Cells communicate this information to each other electromagnetically. Thus a transplanted organ can continue to broadcast old information, something like amputees’ experience of pain in lost limbs. Phenomena like these suggest cells have memories.

Critics deny the existence of proof that memories can be transplanted along with organs, and fear such assertions will cause donor numbers to fall. Some non-believers attribute personality changes in transplant recipients to the heavy drugs they must take to prevent organ rejection.

But what should we make of the documented story of an 8-year-old Jewish boy who died in a car wreck? His death was the salvation of a 3-year-old Arab girl with a dangerous heart condition. As soon as the girl woke up from the anaesthesia after surgery, she asked by name for a type of Jewish candy she could not have known existed.

Pearsall’s book raises fascinating questions that shake the foundations of science
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Freaky!
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coolhandluke told me theres a movie "21 grams" (sean penn) that approaches the subject - ive never seen it, but im gonna rent it on net flix.

youre right it is freaky.
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yep, cell memory..

some theories say the organ donated dictates what "carries over" via the cell memory content depending upon which chakra would be affected.. for example, in this case, the heart would carry over things the person doted on, little catch phrases, love of certain foods, etc... \\ since the heart chakra represents one's openness to life, and "loves".. things the person gets "stuck" on... "catch phrases" and food preferences obviously have a lot of emotional content behind them.

reminds me of that film, "Eyes of Laura Mars" about the woman that got the eye transplant and started "seeing" things the donor saw...

fascinating stuff.

edit: oops, wrong film.. can't remember the name of it... I'll try to find which film it is..

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yep, cell memory..

some theories say the organ donated dictates what "carries over" via the cell memory content depending upon which chakra would be affected.. for example, in this case, the heart would carry over things the person doted on, little catch phrases, love of certain foods, etc... \\ since the heart chakra represents one's openness to life, and "loves".. things the person gets "stuck" on... "catch phrases" and food preferences obviously have a lot of emotional content behind them.

reminds me of that film, "Eyes of Laura Mars" about the woman that got the eye transplant and started "seeing" things the donor saw...

fascinating stuff.

edit: oops, wrong film.. can't remember the name of it... I'll try to find which film it is..
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i dont do to many movies anymore if you recall it, post it here
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So what is the premise of this?

I imagine it is physical.

For example the murdered girl.

She was terrified, in pain and feeling whatever people feel when they die a violent death.

Her body, while still functioning would react in the classic fight/flight manner.

Adrenaline, other body chemicals associated with her fear, shock, injury and pain would permeate her body in a matter of seconds.

At death, that chemical cocktail would still be present throughout the body, at the cellular level perhaps?

So a transplanted kidney or eye would have the donor's physical evidence of their last moments.

The recipient's body would begin to supply the new organ, but is it reasonable to assume that the fear/pain chemicals present from the donor could imprint the same sense of fear and pain onto the donor who stores it as a body and brain memory?
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So what is the premise of this?

I imagine it is physical.

For example the murdered girl.

She was terrified, in pain and feeling whatever people feel when they die a violent death.

Her body, while still functioning would react in the classic fight/flight manner.

Adrenaline, other body chemicals associated with her fear, shock, injury and pain would permeate her body in a matter of seconds.

At death, that chemical cocktail would still be present throughout the body, at the cellular level perhaps?

So a transplanted kidney or eye would have the donor's physical evidence of their last moments.

The recipient's body would begin to supply the new organ, but is it reasonable to assume that the fear/pain chemicals present from the donor could imprint the same sense of fear and pain onto the donor who stores it as a body and brain memory?
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Yeah, that makes some sense, but if you were a vegan, and began craving fried chicken and burgers, that's different.
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Why don't they transplant arms of different races?

It would look kind of funny but do you think it would attack?

I'm defintely donating my arms to science.
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coolhandluke told me theres a movie "21 grams" (sean penn) that approaches the subject - ive never seen it, but im gonna rent it on net flix.

youre right it is freaky.
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I saw 21 Grams, I have it on DVD, and although I like the movie, it was not about "passed on memories/feelings". Penn's character went through what most people go through after getting an organ transplant... natural curiosity about who's life was given to save his. Check the movie out but don't expect this thread topic to be touched on in the movie.....
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coolhandluke told me theres a movie "21 grams" (sean penn) that approaches the subject - ive never seen it, but im gonna rent it on net flix.

youre right it is freaky.


I saw 21 Grams, I have it on DVD, and although I like the movie, it was not about "passed on memories/feelings". Penn's character went through what most people go through after getting an organ transplant... natural curiosity about who's life was given to save his. Check the movie out but don't expect this thread topic to be touched on in the movie.....
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Tried but never could watch that movie.
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holy damn its like the Trill from Star Trek
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I saw 21 Grams, I have it on DVD, and although I like the movie, it was not about "passed on memories/feelings". Penn's character went through what most people go through after getting an organ transplant... natural curiosity about who's life was given to save his. Check the movie out but don't expect this thread topic to be touched on in the movie.....
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oh i thought luke said it touched the subject. perhaps i misread what he said.
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i couldnt even imagine having someone elses memories.

dejavu freaks me out as it is
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Wow, how is this even possible? memories and traits stored in organs?
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Wow, how is this even possible? memories and traits stored in organs?
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cells. amazing isnt it?
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coolhandluke told me theres a movie "21 grams" (sean penn) that approaches the subject - ive never seen it, but im gonna rent it on net flix.

youre right it is freaky.
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GREAT MOVIE !!
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the mystery of life how wonderful .
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Whoa that is wild!
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Not trying to promote my own post but it goes along with this phenomenon.
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well I will not even buy used furniture because I dont want their karma in my house.....
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well I will not even buy used furniture because I dont want their karma in my house.....
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imagine the karma from used shoes??? ohno
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It makes sense. The heart is known to have 'brain' cells too.

I'm a Texas girl, raised on a ranch & rice farm, good old Southern food with a strong mix of Louisianna cajun cooking. Fresh from the farm.
As an adult, my habits were about the same.

I had major surgery about 25 years ago, and needed quite a bit of blood. After, I craved Chinese food & felt driven to taking Tai Chi lessons.scratching
I also craved lasagna, but thankfully didn't develope a need for opera. hehe
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maybe i should refrain from donating blood chuckle
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For real. My new pancreas told me to fuck off because I was just like her other body.
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For real. My new pancreas told me to fuck off because I was just like her other body.
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Watch this movie Phen.


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Watch this movie Phen.


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tell-tale? is that the name?
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maybe i should refrain from donating blood chuckle
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hehehe
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maybe i should refrain from donating blood chuckle



hehehe
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There is much we don't know.





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