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Army to court martial 'birther' officer
Posted: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 4:10 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC's Jim Miklaszewski and Mark Murray
U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be "illegal."

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief, because he believes (incorrectly) that Obama wasn't born in the United States.

Lakin refused this week to report to Fort Campbell, KY for deployment to Afghanistan, but instead showed up at the Pentagon, where he was confronted by his brigade Commander Col. Gordon Roberts, a Vietnam Medal of Honor recipient.

Lakin was informed by Roberts that he would face court martial, and his Pentagon building pass and government laptop computer were seized.
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so, what's the point of taking that Constitutional Oath?

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

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Ah, you mean that Catch 22 Clause, "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me." well that's gotcha!

Wow.
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so, what's the point of taking that Constitutional Oath?

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

[link to usmilitary.about.com]

Ah, you mean that Catch 22 Clause, "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me." well that's gotcha!

Wow.
 Quoting: Free Planet 941667



Ummmm, that the ENLISTED oath. The officer's oath does not contain the words:

"obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me..."



Well if this isn't a wake up call to Americans on whose side the military is on...can't question POTUS or you will be court martialed? I really hope that Dr. Lakin's trial exonerates him of any court martial offenses. He is upholding his Officer's oath to protect and defend the Constitution.
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bump


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Plus he was awarded the MOH in vietnam. What better person to make an "example" of for sedition !
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.
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I think he should punch a terrorist in the mouth before the court martial! I hope the defense is able to do a quo warranto on Maobama to make him prove his eligibility. He has a right to face his accusers right?
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 895514


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935006


Sorry for spitting common sense, i know im just supposed to be agreeing with you guys circle jerk.
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935006

The repubs are the second head of the snake.
They are in on everything that the dems are on.
The media devides everything to left and right to keep you confused.
The repubs could have stopped obamacare if they really wanted.

As for the courtmartial, they must prove him wrong. It won't happen. He will be on the next plane crash.
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 935006


Surely it's LACK of evidence that is the problem.
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Re: Army to court martial 'birther' officer
Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.


Surely it's LACK of evidence that is the problem.
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Right, i dont know why its so hard for these people to grasp.
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Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.
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Maybe they're afraid of President Pelosi, Let's see what happens next year.
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Re: Army to court martial 'birther' officer
Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.


Maybe they're afraid of President Pelosi, Let's see what happens next year.
 Quoting: Dark Age


Or maybe he is simply a fucking citizen?
Why is that the least probable scenario in your mind?

I mean if you list all of the probable scenarios a global conspiracy seems the least likely.
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Re: Army to court martial 'birther' officer
Good. A court martial will provide some sort of organized proceeding to get some evidence out in the open.


If there were all of this evidence you dont think obama's enemies would not have shown it by now?


Where is Rush with all of the evidence?

Where is the ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY with all of this supposed evidence?


Seas and seas of fuck offs who have nothing better to do than figure out how to get their party into power and none of these people are saying jack shit or presenting any evidence.


Maybe they're afraid of President Pelosi, Let's see what happens next year.


Or maybe he is simply a fucking citizen?
Why is that the least probable scenario in your mind?

I mean if you list all of the probable scenarios a global conspiracy seems the least likely.
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Quick make 10 more posts about the subject and ignore reality.
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Re: Army to court martial 'birther' officer
Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief, because he believes (incorrectly) that Obama wasn't born in the United States.

 Quoting: SeenThaFiend

You gotta love that parenthetical editorial comment. WTF is that bullshit. Just report the story. Stop trying to convince us so badly.
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Ummmm, that the ENLISTED oath. The officer's oath does not contain the words:

"obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me..."



Well if this isn't a wake up call to Americans on whose side the military is on...can't question POTUS or you will be court martialed? I really hope that Dr. Lakin's trial exonerates him of any court martial offenses. He is upholding his Officer's oath to protect and defend the Constitution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 656642



There's a difference between "questioning" and making the determination all on your own. A sitting president can be impeached. He can't simply be ignored by an individual under oath. Nor can an officer or enlisted man decide that the whole of their oath is null and void because in their belief some part of it is incorrect.

What prevents an enlisted National Guard, for instance, from deciding not to answer call-up during the Bush administration because they feel the election might have been fraudulent? Sorry, that's not going to fly. You take an oath to support the American SYSTEM, not a specific set of results. By supporting the system of election -- electoral college included -- you agree to support that system even when you disagree with the results.

It is the same as in law; a court of law never discovers truth; they discover legal truth. This is why sometimes a guilty person will walk; because the important element is the system of law, and to change the system in order to commit that one person using tainted evidence would remove constitutional protections built into the law for the benefit of all of us.



There are ways that any serving person can refuse an order. In fact, post My Lai (and long before that, Nuremburg), it is written into the codes and into the training that you MUST follow your conscience to refuse an order that is illegal and/or immoral.

However, it is still an order. Refusing to shoot an unarmed civilian is still a refusal of an order. You are encouraged to do so, but you will do so in the full awareness that this will put you into the military justice system. You don't get a free pass to decide from moment to moment which orders to follow and which to ignore; going against orders is a major step to be taken only when no other option exists.



In short, if this officer believes that for some reason he can not be legally ordered to report for duty, then he should suck it in. Resign the commission, or face the court martial. What, just because he's a wealthy doctor with powerful friends, he gets to be a cry-baby and not go before the board like every single private in the entire armed services would? Then he's a wuss, and not worthy of this ex-NCO's respect.





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