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Young Americans; Unfit to Fight in Military

 
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"I think we should just follow the model of "No child left behind" and lower the military standards to meet the current population. Isn't that the American way? Travel at the speed of the slowest person?"

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Raises National Security Issues

More than a quarter of young adults are unable to meet physical requirements to join the military, creating a potential threat to national security, a group of retired armed forces leaders said Tuesday.

"It's not drug abuse, it's not asthma, it's not flat feet -- by far the leading medical reason is being overweight or obese," said retired U.S. Air Force Lt. Gen. Norman Seip at a news conference.

About 27 percent of young adults are medically ineligible for the military, according to Mission: Readiness, a group of retired admirals, generals, and other senior military leaders.

Mission: Readiness' report, "Too Fat to Fight," said that 75 percent of young Americans between the ages of 17 to 24 do not qualify for the military because of failure to graduate [from high school], criminal records or physical problems. The study cited Department of Defense and health data.

Different branches of the military have their own policies, but they all measure strength, body fat, aerobic capacity, weight and height, Seip said.

A person must pass the physical fitness standards at the time he or she signs up for enlistment. These standards include sit-ups and push-ups.

"The logic is pretty obvious," said retired Army Brig. Gen. Clara Adams-Ender. "The troops need to be in excellent physical condition because of the demands of the important jobs they do in defense. Rigorous physical and mental standards are critical if we are to maintain the fighting readiness of our military."

The maximum weight depends on the person's sex, height and age. The Army allows women up to the weight of 241 pounds and men up to 259 pounds. Depending on age, it allows women with no prior service to have up to 36 percent body fat content and men with no prior service to have up to 30 percent.

Once enlisted, individuals also have to pass annual physical tests.

"We lose upwards to 12,000 young men and young women a year before they even finish up the first term of enlistment," Seip said. "That's another person, who has been recruited, trained and left because they're not able to maintain standards and can't pass the physical fitness test."

Retired officials said it's not about looking good in uniform, but ensuring the future health of the nation.

"We cannot wait until our young adults reach enlistment age to do something about it," said retired Navy Rear Adm. James Barnett Jr. "By that time, they may have already developed a chronic and lifelong weight problem."

Mission: Readiness urged Congress to pass a new childhood nutrition law to remove school junk food, improve nutritional standards and quality of school meals, and to open access to anti-obesity programs for children.

"If we do something about it, school can become a terrific environment for proper meals," Barnett said.

The retirees referred to a similar push military leaders made in 1945, when concerns about poor nutrition in potential recruits resulted in the creation of a national school lunch program.

The retired military leaders were joined by Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana and Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack.

"The reality that so many youngsters are not fit for military service is indeed a wake-up call for this country," Vilsack said.
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My personal experience in the Army.

Yes, very disappointed with physical fitness strandards where we train to the level of the weakest soldier!!!!
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up
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Beleive me, they will be lowering the standards soon.

And they will be carrying uniforms in Big Men's and Plus Size Women's.

Maybe be more lax with the urine testing too.

HOW ELSE will the recruitment maintain the numbers??

Numbers are what they want.
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Americans make fat people look good!

Family guy, Simpsons, etc..
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up
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That is the problem. Most can pass with the standards as they are already.

When I was in basic it was a joke.

Ability group runs....etc.

Problem is, unless your in combat arms, once you pass basic and go to your duty station, the units train down to the weakest soldier.

Not challenging what so ever.

After 9 weeks of basic and than another 12 weeks of AIT,

It is all down hill.
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up


That is the problem. Most can pass with the standards as they are already.

When I was in basic it was a joke.

Ability group runs....etc.

Problem is, unless your in combat arms, once you pass basic and go to your duty station, the units train down to the weakest soldier.

Not challenging what so ever.

After 9 weeks of basic and than another 12 weeks of AIT,

It is all down hill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648


Typo..
Most are barely passing with current standards.
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That's alright, we'll just hire mercs from other countries.

Just like the Romans did...
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Won't they lose weight if they stay in the military long enough?
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up


That is the problem. Most can pass with the standards as they are already.

When I was in basic it was a joke.

Ability group runs....etc.

Problem is, unless your in combat arms, once you pass basic and go to your duty station, the units train down to the weakest soldier.

Not challenging what so ever.

After 9 weeks of basic and than another 12 weeks of AIT,


It is all down hill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648

You only had 12 weeks in AIT? Shit, mine was for a year! We had to have haircuts like the marines and our standards were higher than the other army units (musicians tend to be in public a lot).

I would sometimes see Army from other places and couldn't understand how they got away with looking like they did.

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Won't they lose weight if they stay in the military long enough?
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Not really, I personally know many who just get fatter over the years.

Than they will lose just enough weight to not be flagged so they can get promoted or transfer to another duty station.
Than back to getting fat.
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Won't they lose weight if they stay in the military long enough?


Not really, I personally know many who just get fatter over the years.

Than they will lose just enough weight to not be flagged so they can get promoted or transfer to another duty station.
Than back to getting fat.
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Well they might lose weight during wartime. I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't when there's nothing to shoot at or run away from.
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Beleive me, they will be lowering the standards soon.

And they will be carrying uniforms in Big Men's and Plus Size Women's.

Maybe be more lax with the urine testing too.

HOW ELSE will the recruitment maintain the numbers??

Numbers are what they want.
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Nah, they're overbooked as it is - too many recruits said my daughter's recruiting officer.
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up


That is the problem. Most can pass with the standards as they are already.

When I was in basic it was a joke.

Ability group runs....etc.

Problem is, unless your in combat arms, once you pass basic and go to your duty station, the units train down to the weakest soldier.

Not challenging what so ever.

After 9 weeks of basic and than another 12 weeks of AIT,


It is all down hill.

You only had 12 weeks in AIT? Shit, mine was for a year! We had to have haircuts like the marines and our standards were higher than the other army units (musicians tend to be in public a lot).

I would sometimes see Army from other places and couldn't understand how they got away with looking like they did.
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Yea, length of AIT depends on your MOS.
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The only positions that constantly have an opening in the military are special operations roles.

Fat kids definitely won't be getting those.
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Something's wrong with that article. In one place it says "nearly a quarter" don't qualify, and then later it says 75% don't qualify.

??????????

Well, which is it?
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Yea, length of AIT depends on your MOS.
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Yeah, I know. LOL! I knew a guy that only went for ONE WEEK! I couldn't believe it. We all did one year (musicians and medical seem to be about the same).
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The only positions that constantly have an opening in the military are special operations roles.

Fat kids definitely won't be getting those.
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And those you have to have top secret clearance which isn't easy to get.
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Won't they lose weight if they stay in the military long enough?


Not really, I personally know many who just get fatter over the years.

Than they will lose just enough weight to not be flagged so they can get promoted or transfer to another duty station.
Than back to getting fat.



Well they might lose weight during wartime. I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't when there's nothing to shoot at or run away from.
 Quoting: ZTE


True, but the enter their deployment fat and not as ready.
By the time they loose their wait their deployment is almost over. Back to the states and the cycle starts all over again.
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Don't forget today's standards are watered down as it is....there was an article I read that tells me the military was not the one I served in....the article was saying soldiers running the obstacle course may use a ladder or other aids to get over or around an obstacle....reason being its better for the recruits to finish the obstacle course because failure would lower the recruit's self esteem.....what happen to go/no go?.....
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Something's wrong with that article. In one place it says "nearly a quarter" don't qualify, and then later it says 75% don't qualify.

??????????

Well, which is it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 905924


The 75% is overall not acceptible, do to many reasons such as not finishing high school, etc...
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bump
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Won't they lose weight if they stay in the military long enough?


Not really, I personally know many who just get fatter over the years.

Than they will lose just enough weight to not be flagged so they can get promoted or transfer to another duty station.
Than back to getting fat.



Well they might lose weight during wartime. I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't when there's nothing to shoot at or run away from.


True, but the enter their deployment fat and not as ready.
By the time they loose their wait their deployment is almost over. Back to the states and the cycle starts all over again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 648

no iq tests
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One day I saw this 5 foot fat slob woman in camies and she looked like if she ran out on the field she might die of a heart attack. That's a shame that they lifted the weight standard by about 100 pounds. Back in the 80's, they would kick you out if you were 2 pounds overweight. How disgusting!!!
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One day I saw this 5 foot fat slob woman in camies and she looked like if she ran out on the field she might die of a heart attack. That's a shame that they lifted the weight standard by about 100 pounds. Back in the 80's, they would kick you out if you were 2 pounds overweight. How disgusting!!!
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I think they lifted it about 200 lbs, by the looks of that heifah.
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One day I saw this 5 foot fat slob woman in camies and she looked like if she ran out on the field she might die of a heart attack. That's a shame that they lifted the weight standard by about 100 pounds. Back in the 80's, they would kick you out if you were 2 pounds overweight. How disgusting!!!

I think they lifted it about 200 lbs, by the looks of that heifah.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 931125

Anyway, she was about 280 pounds, and 5 foot tall, covering it all up in military gear. This is no exaggeration!
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Obama will use them in his civilian protection force... their only job.. herd Americans onto the train..
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big whoop so make basic training a little bit longer so tubby can keep up
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No in my platoon you didn't. I kept the slow road guards with them and went back and rounded them up. The fast guys get more PT that way!!!!


Former Drill Sergeant
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Don't forget today's standards are watered down as it is....there was an article I read that tells me the military was not the one I served in....the article was saying soldiers running the obstacle course may use a ladder or other aids to get over or around an obstacle....reason being its better for the recruits to finish the obstacle course because failure would lower the recruit's self esteem.....what happen to go/no go?.....
 Quoting: dookie stain 907535



WHATTTT!!!!!!?????? As a former bad man in the brown hat that screamed at people to go over those walls. A ladder, well gee (I don't cuss like that anymore) how do you?

IN THE MOST SARCASTIC WAY: We have to carry ladders with us to war? Well do those darling have to pass PT tests? Tea and donuts in the morning? No pushups either I suppose? Maids to clean up their barracks and tuck them at night

I suppose in jump school you havet the option to stay on the plane.


I've got to go on the old DI forums and find out about this





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