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science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"

 
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science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
I saw through this fallacy in my university years.

In fact, that humans never come to any sensible conclusion about the universe is essential for the continuation of the scientific establishment. otherwise, a lot of people would end with cold pockets.

That is why scientists are always reiterating how beautiful is that science is always correcting itself and getting closer and closer to.... to what? nothing!! Remember '2001 Space Odyssey'? What did the astronaut find at the end of the movie? HIMSELF. His OWN spiritual nature, or "God". Then we see the "star fetus", representing the ABSOLUTE TRUTH that the "next step in evolution" is always to START ANEW. That is right: we are eternally BE-coming, eternally being "born again", as depicted by the star fetus at the end of '2001.' As a reflection of this process, the human scientific establishment is always suffering cyclical changes in its core assumptions that end up forcing a complete restructuration of its disciplines. We can also detect this in our personal view of the world.

So, instead of acknowledging this truth scientists and philosophers prefer to believe that the most noble endeavor is to KEEP LOOKING for the Truth -- notice the emphasis on "KEEP", because certainly they wouldn't know It (the truth) even if it hit them in face. They would be too incredulous to accept that maybe the Truth is simple and devoid of rational meaning. After years of indoctrination telling them that the Truth is "out there" , they forget that maybe It is RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEIR NOSES. The Truth lies "within" as spiritualists like to say. Science is just as important as spirituality, but, as I've showed you, you need something "extra" to understand the universe. You need to unify science with spirituality and then see where do you fit in the result.

Yep! Just "Keep walking" until you no longer have legs to do the walking and you realize that you still haven't found "It". You'd better find the Truth as long as you have healthy legs (brains?). People are just too comfortable within the search process itself and forget about the importance of achieving closure. Well, in my humble opinion THERE IS NO MORE TIME FOR SILLY GAMES OF "TRUTH-SEEKING".

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
you left out: religion

science = philosophy = religion > NO TRUTH

you can't handle the Truth cruise
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
The whole crux of the matter is that we come to utilize these physical bodies to understand those things.

There is nothing to wait for. Truth is, you better be working on it here and now. Nothing is coming to save anyone. I don't care what the belief is.

You will not be saved in the "hereafter" either. Your "job" here is to work it out.

If you haven't worked out your own salvation while in the flesh, you will be relegated to more fleshly experiences until you do. That means you miss the boat this time.

Good luck. To all.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
you left out: religion

science = philosophy = religion > NO TRUTH

you can't handle the Truth cruise
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It seems maybe you can't handle it.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
The whole crux of the matter is that we come to utilize these physical bodies to understand those things.

There is nothing to wait for. Truth is, you better be working on it here and now. Nothing is coming to save anyone. I don't care what the belief is.

You will not be saved in the "hereafter" either. Your "job" here is to work it out.

If you haven't worked out your own salvation while in the flesh, you will be relegated to more fleshly experiences until you do. That means you miss the boat this time.

Good luck. To all.
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Some of us are going to need it.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
Seems like you people think my thoughts before I have a chance to integrate and speak them. WOW! I really got to stop thinking beyond the next task in front of me. That seems to be the truth. I guess idle hands are the devils business.
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world wide web.... if you scramble those letters it comes out www.bored idle.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
Seems like you people think my thoughts before I have a chance to integrate and speak them. WOW! I really got to stop thinking beyond the next task in front of me. That seems to be the truth. I guess idle hands are the devils business.
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before enlightenment, chop wood carry water.

after enlightenment, chop wood carry water.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
It's all about grant money.

99% of "scientists" are grant money whores.

damned
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
I saw through this fallacy in my university years.

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Sorry OP you or your teachers are wrong : Philosophy is defined as the search of wisdom, not truth.
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I saw through this fallacy in my university years.



Sorry OP you or your teachers are wrong : Philosophy is defined as the search of wisdom, not truth.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
you left out: religion

science = philosophy = religion > NO TRUTH

you can't handle the Truth cruise
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You bet, Skippy! ohyeah

I wonder what would happen if the Fans of the Matrix Trilogy were to ever figure out you just gave them THE SOURCE (combined, all 3 are the Source) from the the last Chapter/Part of the Matrix Trilogy? :5:

I guess it's like you said, THEY cun't handle the Truth. peace

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
I saw through this fallacy in my university years.



Sorry OP you or your teachers are wrong : Philosophy is defined as the search of wisdom, not truth.
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Then your definition is WRONG.

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
I saw through this fallacy in my university years.



Sorry OP you or your teachers are wrong : Philosophy is defined as the search of wisdom, not truth.

Then your definition is WRONG.

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–noun.
1.the rational investigation of the truths and principles of being, knowledge, or conduct.
2.any of the three branches, namely natural philosophy, moral philosophy, and metaphysical philosophy, that are accepted as composing this study.
3.a system of philosophical doctrine: the philosophy of Spinoza.
4.the critical study of the basic principles and concepts of a particular branch of knowledge, esp. with a view to improving or reconstituting them: the philosophy of science.
5.a system of principles for guidance in practical affairs.
6.a philosophical attitude, as one of composure and calm in the presence of troubles or annoyances.

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
Thank you for your words, they resonate very strongly with my beliefs, but don't understand what you mean by closure.

Does this happen to others. When I learn something new, that is important. As soon as I hear it or read it, I feel like I have always known it. This doesn't happen with everything I learn, but when it is something more profound then it seems to open the door to what I always have known.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
Thank you for your words, they resonate very strongly with my beliefs, but don't understand what you mean by closure.

Does this happen to others. When I learn something new, that is important. As soon as I hear it or read it, I feel like I have always known it. This doesn't happen with everything I learn, but when it is something more profound then it seems to open the door to what I always have known.
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closure in terms of finding the truth that, perhaps, "there is no truth" . reaching a state of mind that is comfortable to you REGARDLESS of what happens in the outside. the goal is to achieve peace of mind and then live in your life in peace without all the suffering and yearning for greater 'meaning'.

I do not claim that I know the entire truth. All that I know is that I'm happy with what I know. I know enough.

my mind is "closed" not because I refuse to learn anything else, but because my mind is already all-inclusive. It already believes in everything, and it accepts everything; hence there is nothing that will be in conflict with my "belief system". In short, I have an "open" belief system, even though a system by definition should be closed.

0 = infinity. the symbol for zero is an ellipse right? suppose that you give that ellipse a great big hug -> it will look this -> 8, which horizontally becomes the symbol for infinity. therefore, I suggest that you "embrace infinity."
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
correction: "embrace infinity" by no longer knowing or believing in something (i.e., zero-ing your beliefs).

0 = infinity.
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
Thank you for your words, they resonate very strongly with my beliefs, but don't understand what you mean by closure.

Does this happen to others. When I learn something new, that is important. As soon as I hear it or read it, I feel like I have always known it. This doesn't happen with everything I learn, but when it is something more profound then it seems to open the door to what I always have known.


closure in terms of finding the truth that, perhaps, "there is no truth" . reaching a state of mind that is comfortable to you REGARDLESS of what happens in the outside. the goal is to achieve peace of mind and then live in your life in peace without all the suffering and yearning for greater 'meaning'.

I do not claim that I know the entire truth. All that I know is that I'm happy with what I know. I know enough.

my mind is "closed" not because I refuse to learn anything else, but because my mind is already all-inclusive. It already believes in everything, and it accepts everything; hence there is nothing that will be in conflict with my "belief system". In short, I have an "open" belief system, even though a system by definition should be closed.

0 = infinity. the symbol for zero is an ellipse right? suppose that you give that ellipse a great big hug -> it will look this -> 8, which horizontally becomes the symbol for infinity. therefore, I suggest that you "embrace infinity."
 Quoting: gus 951787


There are TWO things WRONG with what you just said:

1. The reason why your Belief System is a System is because it is of TWO PARTS:

Open
Closed

You don't have a choice in that! If you are Open Minded, you are also Closed Minded and if you are Closed Minded, you are also Open Minded. The 4th Law of the Universe covers it:

"Law of Opposites - opposites cannot exist without each other and if one exists, so too does the other."

2. Zero does NOT equal Infinity!!!!

You need to embrace FINITE, not INFINITY.

Faith (God) the size of FINITE is the GREATEST FAITH of ALL!!!!

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
correction: "embrace infinity" by no longer knowing or believing in something (i.e., zero-ing your beliefs).

0 = infinity.
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+1 rose
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
correction: "embrace infinity" by no longer knowing or believing in something (i.e., zero-ing your beliefs).

0 = infinity.
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To "ZERO IN" on something, isn't to go to ZERO, but rather, to go to FINITE!

To "Zero in" is to take the number you are at and to go "towards" ZERO but to never reach ZERO, which that would then make FINITE the closest you can get to ZERO without it being ZERO so your ZERO Philosophy is exactly that . . . .

NOTHING!

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
correction: "embrace infinity" by no longer knowing or believing in something (i.e., zero-ing your beliefs).

0 = infinity.


+1 rose
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-1

Zero does not equal Infinity!!!!

I can't believe you rewarded them for that sham!

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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
2. Zero does NOT equal Infinity!!!!

You need to embrace FINITE, not INFINITY.

Faith (God) the size of FINITE is the GREATEST FAITH of ALL!!!!

Ribbit enguard
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Screw the finite it's an illusion of insanity like reality is. When most refer to zero they could also be referring to a circle or the 8 being a looping pattern of some sort.
0 5 6 7 8 9 17 23 28 31 36 38 39 53 43 48 53 56 61 79 89 95 144 504 720 1415 1596 1728 8326 9405 190019 134064 8888888
The magenta and gray leader of the 174 fractal consortiums of existence
You see god I see dog
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
All real discovery is MADE thru Philosophy augmented with science. We misuse both on this planet
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
2. Zero does NOT equal Infinity!!!!


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yes it DOES if you consider the 4th law of logic, which is unknown to society.

the 4th law of logic is the Law of the paradox and it supersedes the law of opposites.

I've read about how the law of paradox can automatically generate all 3 Aristotelian laws of logic.

-1 = 1 in this law. so, according to the law of the paradox you rewarded my post as well. thank you very much!
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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
"you win the game when you know who you are"



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Re: science and philosophy are fascinated with "the search for truth"
correction: "embrace infinity" by no longer knowing or believing in something (i.e., zero-ing your beliefs).

0 = infinity.


To "ZERO IN" on something, isn't to go to ZERO, but rather, to go to FINITE!

To "Zero in" is to take the number you are at and to go "towards" ZERO but to never reach ZERO, which that would then make FINITE the closest you can get to ZERO without it being ZERO so your ZERO Philosophy is exactly that . . . .

NOTHING!

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Zerro is not nothingness, emptiness. It´s the settlement of ALL equations. It´s fullness. There is NO emptiness in the universe, it´s a misconcept of the modern science. A very BIG ONE.





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