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Where is Mercury! And Venus Out of Place!

 
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Simple solution: Take a picture from your identical porch location, each day, for any number of days when the sun is PRECISELY cracking the horizon. Then post the pics for us each day.
I think that's a good suggestion.......however, wouldn't people around here just claim that I tampered with the evidence? :(


You mean you think you will get photographs showing the Sun to have jumped around from one day to the next? Why don't you try it and see?

Would you believe me if I did this, and then brought the photos to GLP Menow? Or would you say: How do we know.....yada yada yada.......? :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


There are plenty of webcams out there...just reference on of theirs. For instance, KatCam shoots the sunsets each day. I challenge you to find the behavior you describe on any consecutive days in their picture archives.
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Bullshit. There is no observable "wobble" at all. Nancy, do you really have to work hard to make this shit up?


It would be easy to agree with you that there is no earth wobble.But does though explain very well why Volcanoes, Earthquakes and record breaking bad nasty Weather seems to coincide along with what the Zetas had predicted and pretty well began when it was said the wobble is becoming more severe. .

No other answer would satisfy me but a wobble in the rotation of the earth as the cause of our woes. Try one


Those days of, 'everything is normal' are long gone. long gone.
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Just look back through history. Nothing that we are seeing now is out of the ordinary. Just look beyond the end of your nose. There have ALWAYS been severe weather, earthquakes and volcanos.
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So, ObeWayneKenobe, what do you say? How about sunrise pics for the next 7 days?

Will YOU still say it happens, but only when you're not taking pictures?
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It's not that: It's just that I don't really own a camera(as hard as that is to believe)......and yes I know they have really cheep one's that you can buy......but since I would have to buy a program for the computer to be able to post those pictures.......it just all seems like a lot of work, just to prove what? That I can take pictures???

Cause you know, nobodies going to believe it anyway......so why should I waste all that money? :( lol
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So, ObeWayneKenobe, what do you say? How about sunrise pics for the next 7 days?

Will YOU still say it happens, but only when you're not taking pictures?

It's not that: It's just that I don't really own a camera(as hard as that is to believe)......and yes I know they have really cheep one's that you can buy......but since I would have to buy a program for the computer to be able to post those pictures.......it just all seems like a lot of work, just to prove what? That I can take pictures???

Cause you know, nobodies going to believe it anyway......so why should I waste all that money? :( lol
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
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So, ObeWayneKenobe, what do you say? How about sunrise pics for the next 7 days?

Will YOU still say it happens, but only when you're not taking pictures?

It's not that: It's just that I don't really own a camera(as hard as that is to believe)......and yes I know they have really cheep one's that you can buy......but since I would have to buy a program for the computer to be able to post those pictures.......it just all seems like a lot of work, just to prove what? That I can take pictures???

Cause you know, nobodies going to believe it anyway......so why should I waste all that money? :( lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Why didn't you say that in the first place? Then just do the same thing, only with a precise drawing of the individual mountain peaks you say are involved. Simple!
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Let's look at it this way: Two possibilities...1: you are right and the world's astronomers have missed this wild event(or are ALL lying about it) 2: you are mistaken.

Which is actually more likely?
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Well if it will make you feel any better: I am willing to admit that maybe I am mistaken.......but I don't think I am! lol
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There are plenty of webcams out there...just reference on of theirs. For instance, KatCam shoots the sunsets each day. I challenge you to find the behavior you describe on any consecutive days in their picture archives.
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That's a good point! Unless those web-cams are tampered with.....right? :(

Like I'm going to search for hours and hours just to prove what......that web-cams are accurate? lol
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Let's look at it this way: Two possibilities...1: you are right and the world's astronomers have missed this wild event(or are ALL lying about it) 2: you are mistaken.

Which is actually more likely?

Well if it will make you feel any better: I am willing to admit that maybe I am mistaken.......but I don't think I am! lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


So you admit it and then immediately withdraw the admission? Now you are just screwing with us. I guess that was your plan all along.

I'm sure it's waaaayyyy more fun to imagine that you have discovered something special, than to take a chance of destroying the pleasant illusion by testing it in the real world.

Thanks for wasting our time.
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
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Thanks for being so understanding.......not! lol
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
Thanks for being so understanding.......not! lol
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When you make ridiculous claims with no evidence, do you expect reasonable people to just believe them?
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Why didn't you say that in the first place? Then just do the same thing, only with a precise drawing of the individual mountain peaks you say are involved. Simple!
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But you are missing the point Menow......who is going to believe me even with pictures? lol

Hell, for all I know; I could be having hallucinations lol......OR worse yet: VISIONS! Gawd forbid....lol
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So you admit it and then immediately withdraw the admission? Now you are just screwing with us. I guess that was your plan all along.

I'm sure it's waaaayyyy more fun to imagine that you have discovered something special, than to take a chance of destroying the pleasant illusion by testing it in the real world.

Thanks for wasting our time.
 Quoting: Menow 935048

LOL.....Oh yeah, like you come to GLP to NOT be entertained.....lol Waste YOUR time? I wouldn't think of it!!! lol

Seriously Menow: Whether you believe me or not......I know what I have seen......just explaining it is the hard part!
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Why didn't you say that in the first place? Then just do the same thing, only with a precise drawing of the individual mountain peaks you say are involved. Simple!
But you are missing the point Menow......who is going to believe me even with pictures? lol

Hell, for all I know; I could be having hallucinations lol......OR worse yet: VISIONS! Gawd forbid....lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


So, we should believe you, some anomymouse guy on an internet forum, abouve thousands of experienced astronomers?

You're just fucking with people. You made a wild claim and are now probably lying about not owning a camera... and I'm sure that NO ONE you know will loan you one either..

HAR!
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
Thanks for being so understanding.......not! lol


When you make ridiculous claims with no evidence, do you expect reasonable people to just believe them?
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No, I'm NOT asking you to believe me.......I simply asked Astronut if he had any plausible explanations that could help me understand what might be taking place......and he was kind enough to offer several possibilities!
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So you admit it and then immediately withdraw the admission? Now you are just screwing with us. I guess that was your plan all along.

I'm sure it's waaaayyyy more fun to imagine that you have discovered something special, than to take a chance of destroying the pleasant illusion by testing it in the real world.

Thanks for wasting our time.

LOL.....Oh yeah, like you come to GLP to NOT be entertained.....lol Waste YOUR time? I wouldn't think of it!!! lol

Seriously Menow: Whether you believe me or not......I know what I have seen......just explaining it is the hard part!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


I'm sure you have seen the Sun crossing the sky on many days too. Doesn't that mean the Sun is orbiting the Earth? After all, you've SEEN IT!
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
Thanks for being so understanding.......not! lol


When you make ridiculous claims with no evidence, do you expect reasonable people to just believe them?

No, I'm NOT asking you to believe me.......I simply asked Astronut if he had any plausible explanations that could help me understand what might be taking place......and he was kind enough to offer several possibilities!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


And so was I. Then you started dodging any possibility of confirming your claim. After all, it would take maybe a whole hour of looking at Katcam archives to prove you wrong. You can't be doing THAT, now can you??
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So, we should believe you, some anomymouse guy on an internet forum, abouve thousands of experienced astronomers?

You're just fucking with people. You made a wild claim and are now probably lying about not owning a camera... and I'm sure that NO ONE you know will loan you one either..

HAR!
 Quoting: Menow 935048

Menow, I'm not asking you to believe me.......what I don't understand is why you seem so determined to make sure nobody else does either? lol
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Thanks for showing us that you don't have the courage to demonstrate your claims.
Thanks for being so understanding.......not! lol


When you make ridiculous claims with no evidence, do you expect reasonable people to just believe them?

No, I'm NOT asking you to believe me.......I simply asked Astronut if he had any plausible explanations that could help me understand what might be taking place......and he was kind enough to offer several possibilities!
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


By the way... nobody with any experience in the real world belives you. Only paranoid conspiracy basement-dwellers would ever believe such a stupid notion as that the Sun is jumping around on the horizon without anybody but a select few noticing it.
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I'm sure you have seen the Sun crossing the sky on many days too. Doesn't that mean the Sun is orbiting the Earth? After all, you've SEEN IT!
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Oh, now you just want to be insulting? :(
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Since you'all arguing away here on this thread are keeping it on the front page, let me pose my question HERE as well. Here's my post on Eccentricity, which is getting ignored.


Yes, it’s me, Nancy of ZetaTalk, with another issue. The Zetas make me struggle for the answer so I can be on the same page to translate what they hand to me, and at times it is a struggle. I was on GLP with a question about Mercury the other day
Thread: Where is Mercury! And Venus Out of Place!
displaying my ignorance and making a fool of myself to get the answers because someone someplace asked why Mercury was missing from the SOHO images if it was in transit. Got my answers. Very low magnitude (which is expressed as a high number on the charts) so can’t be seen. I was also asking about Venus, which many, many people seem perturbed about this past week, since April 21 when it first showed up on COR2 of Stereo Ahead. It is apparently appearing on Stereo Ahead images coming right to left approaching the Sun – seemingly too FAR to the right at this time (though this is debatable for some) but here’s my question:

Is its eccentricity too high?

Earth is on the Ecliptic at Eccentricity of .0167
Venus is even more on the Ecliptic at Eccentricity of .0068
By contrast, Pluto has a highly eccentric orbit at Eccentricity of .250

Now, checking where the orbits are expected to place the planets via this link:
[link to www.fourmilab.ch]
and comparing it to the chart of expected transits visible via SOHO at this site:
[link to sungrazer.nrl.navy.mil]
I find that Venus was expected to be BEHIND the Sun in January, 2010 and in FRONT of the Sun in October, 2010.
Jan01-Feb10 Venus -3.9mag Right to Left (behind Sun)
Oct27-Nov01 Venus -4.0mag Left to Right (in front of Sun)

:January201:

Presumably, given the slight eccentricity of both Earth and Venus, and assuming they would both be in their correct positions in a real (or simulated) orbit arrangement, I step back to find Venus on the SOHO images in late October, early November of 2009.
Oct25-Nov15 Venus ??mag Right to Left (behind Sun)

:Venus2009:

Now, if everytime there is a transit or conjunction or whatever it is called when it is visible in SOHO, it shows up either AT the height of the Sun or ever so slightly above it or mostly well below it, from the view of SOHO. Then why it is so darn HIGH, above the Sun, in the current COR2 images? Would this be the correct eccentricity for Earth/Venus combined assuming they are in their anticipated orbits and all (either real or simulated)?

:VenusCLaim:

This issue has been raised before.
Thread: A Big ASS PLANET IS approaching our SUN!!! latest Soho video (Page 3)
It also seems, this unknown entity is not in the line of orbit, where Venus would normally be. Much too high above the Sun.

And no, I’m not claiming this is Planet X, as those who snicker would like to say. THAT shows up nicely on SOHO and Stereo but not looking like a planet moving right to left, etc. It has a drifting tail, etc.
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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then they ridicule you,
then they fight you,
then you win. -Mahatma Gandhi.
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Then you started dodging any possibility of confirming your claim. After all, it would take maybe a whole hour of looking at Katcam archives to prove you wrong. You can't be doing THAT, now can you??
 Quoting: Menow 935048

Does it bother you that I don't want to jump through any of your hoops.......like a trained puppy? lol
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By the way... nobody with any experience in the real world belives you.
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Good......cause I believe, that if it's really happening; people should be able to see it for themselves.......and NOT have to take my word for it!
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I'm sure you have seen the Sun crossing the sky on many days too. Doesn't that mean the Sun is orbiting the Earth? After all, you've SEEN IT!
Oh, now you just want to be insulting? :(
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


Making an analogy. You don't understand it? Now you just want to be obtuse?
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Since you'all arguing away here on this thread are keeping it on the front page, let me pose my question HERE as well. Here's my post on Eccentricity, which is getting ignored.

 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Both I and Astronut responded. YOU ignored the responses.
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Oh great Menow, now you've gone and woke Nancy up! lol

High Nancy.....hope you can have better luck with the peanut gallery than I am having.....sorry for the circus noise......I was just looking for some answers was all! :)

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Then you started dodging any possibility of confirming your claim. After all, it would take maybe a whole hour of looking at Katcam archives to prove you wrong. You can't be doing THAT, now can you??
Does it bother you that I don't want to jump through any of your hoops.......like a trained puppy? lol
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


You're just trolling, right?

It's not MY hoops. It's a way for you to check out your own claim... but you don't really want to do that at all.
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Oh great Menow, now you gone and woke Nancy up! lol

High Nancy.....hope you can have better luck with the peanut gallery than I am having.....sorry for the circus noise......I was just looking for some answers was all! :)
 Quoting: ObeWayneKenobe


No, you're not. You've been given several ways to check out your claim. You have danced and doged around each one.
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Since you'all arguing away here on this thread are keeping it on the front page, let me pose my question HERE as well. Here's my post on Eccentricity, which is getting ignored.

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74444 responded too. You ignored us all. You only see what you want to see, Nancy.
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You're just trolling, right?
 Quoting: Menow 935048

No......are you?

It's not MY hoops. It's a way for you to check out your own claim... but you don't really want to do that at all.
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But I already KNOW (my) claim......
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No, you're not. You've been given several ways to check out your claim. You have danced and doged around each one.
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That's right! Cause I don't want to do it......why must I always do things that other people want me to do......why can't I decide for myself? :(





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