My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 956824 United States 05/02/2010 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? You can tell them...till your blue in the face. It'll just stir things up bad. I'm not up to telling my story at this point, but I have experience in this area. My motto now has to be Live and Let Die. If I am asked to share what I have to offer I will, not before. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 956117 United States 05/02/2010 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? its probably not MS.... check this video out. lyme is the biggest cover up of our lifetimes and that is no small order in and of itself. check your ego at the door and watch this with an open mind. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? You can tell them...till your blue in the face. It'll just stir things up bad. I'm not up to telling my story at this point, but I have experience in this area. My motto now has to be Live and Let Die. If I am asked to share what I have to offer I will, not before. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 956824I know. I talked to my MIL about taking vitamin D for her osteoporosis, and she just ignored me. Now it's so bad she can't raise her arms. The next thing will probably be her hip bone snaps because it's too structurally weak to support her weight. I don't say anything to her anymore. Last time I saw her she volunteered the info that her vitamin D levels tested low and she's not taking vitamin D supplements. I didn't say anything, but I'm like I'm not sure they believe in evolution. I think maybe they think food is good if God makes it available to them. If someone doesn't believe in evolution, it's hard to try to explain to people why modern processed foods lack the substances our bodies evolved to depend on. So I'm wondering if their attitude comes from the belief that questioning the ability of the food on the grocery store shelves to sustain one may be something only a faithless whore who doesn't trust God does? . Last Edited by Andromeda on 05/02/2010 09:58 AM |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Here's an April 2010 article in Practical Neurology assessing the state of the progress in Vitamin D-MS research: ... There are several lines of evidence supporting the importance of vitamin D in MS. Inverse correlation between MS prevalence and sunlight has been reported. his may in part explain the much discussed North/South gradient in MS. A study of American military personnel showed that low 25(OH)D levels in adolescence may be associated with an increased risk of developing MS later in life. A 41 percent decrease of incidence of MS for every 50nmol/L increase in 25(OH)D was estimated for the white population. Low serum 25(OH)D levels have been reported in 50- 70 percent of different MS populations. Lower vitamin D levels have been reported during relapses in relapsing-remitting MS patients, and high vitamin D levels have been associated to low relapse activity. A recent report showed that children developing MS after presenting with a clinically isolated syndrome (CIS) had significantly lower serum levels of 25(OH)D compared to those that did not develop MS. Most of the biologic effects of 1,25(OH)2D are mediated by the vitamin D receptor. This induces receptor mediated anti-inflammatory processes by reducing expression of MHC class II, surface costimulatory molecules and pro-inflammatory cytokines in monocytes/antigen presenting cells. It also inhibits T- and B-lymphocyte proliferation, reduces expression of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and induces apoptosis of activated T lymphocytes. Evidence is beginning to accumulate of a complex interaction between genetic susceptibility to MS and the role of vitamin D. Expression of the MS associated HLA class II allele is influenced by vitamin D. Certain vitamin D receptor (VDR) gene polymorphisms have been shown to have an influence on disease susceptibility. Other VDR gene polymorphisms have been shown to influence disability progression in MS patients independent of sunlight exposure. ... Much of the recent excitement regarding the role of vitamin D in MS can be traced to a Canadian study that was recently reported at several meetings. This story was picked up by medical and lay press and widely discussed. ... The main outcome was that the subjects had no hypercalcemia, hypercalciuria or parathyroid dysfunction, despite having mean serum 25(OH)D values peaking at over 400 nmol/L. A widely published secondary outcome was that the treatment group had fewer relapses with a 41 percent reduction in annualized relapse rate, compared with a reduction of 17 percent in the control group. However, the study was not powered to assess clinical outcomes. [link to www.bmctoday.net] |
... User ID: 958944 United States 05/02/2010 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Does she consume products containing aspartame? You have information that can help her reverse a crippling disease. Buy her a bottle of vitamin D. Print out the most succinct evidence you have supporting its use, but don't overwhelm her with info. Give these to her privately. You would be remiss in not sharing with her what you know about this condition, even if she dismisses the advice. You will have done all you can, your conscience will be clear. No need to say or do anything more. The rest is up to her. good luck. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Does she consume products containing aspartame? Quoting: ... 958944You have information that can help her reverse a crippling disease. Buy her a bottle of vitamin D. Print out the most succinct evidence you have supporting its use, but don't overwhelm her with info. Give these to her privately. You would be remiss in not sharing with her what you know about this condition, even if she dismisses the advice. You will have done all you can, your conscience will be clear. No need to say or do anything more. The rest is up to her. good luck. I think you're right. I have to do something. My husband just suggested we send her a package of the papers and a letter, along with some vitamins and suggestions. The more I research the topic, the more I realize how important it is to get this info to her ASAP. There's a real explosion of published work in the past few months, on the MS-vitamin-D-deficiency link, in top journals (Journal of the American Medical Association, Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences, Brain, Neuroscience, etc.). The progression of the disease can be halted, and even reversed, in many of these cases. The evidence is overwhelming, and the research is the kind of stuff that it takes doctors years to pay attention to, since there's no prescription for them to write. I'd bet 10-to-1 her Dr. didn't' say anything about it to her. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? its probably not MS.... check this video out. lyme is the biggest cover up of our lifetimes and that is no small order in and of itself. check your ego at the door and watch this with an open mind. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 956117What does researching a topic have to do with "ego"? There's research that suggests that MS can be triggered by infections that affect the nervous system. I found a recent paper that reviews some ways in which infections can trigger MS: Environmental risk factors for multiple sclerosis. Part I: the role of infection A Ascherio, KL Munger - Annals of neurology, 2007 - interscience.wiley.com [link to www3.interscience.wiley.com] Some people can have their MS triggered by stress, drugs, etc. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 679335 United States 05/02/2010 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? If she drinks diet drinks, then you could appeal to her intelligence and ask her why, for the love of God, does she consume aspartame. I doubt if she will listen to you at all about Vit D. Maybe she'll read about it somewhere as it's in the news constantly. Other than that, no. I hate to break this to you, Andromeda, but you can be abrasive and his whole family seems to have chosen foods styles to cling to, regardless of what you might say. They'll treat you like a Jehova's Witness and not hear a word you say. You don't bear responsibility for her or their choices. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? If she drinks diet drinks, then you could appeal to her intelligence and ask her why, for the love of God, does she consume aspartame. I doubt if she will listen to you at all about Vit D. Maybe she'll read about it somewhere as it's in the news constantly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 679335Other than that, no. I hate to break this to you, Andromeda, but you can be abrasive and his whole family seems to have chosen foods styles to cling to, regardless of what you might say. They'll treat you like a Jehova's Witness and not hear a word you say. You don't bear responsibility for her or their choices. You are right about that! I'm not good at handling delicate subjects. There's no better advice than from someone who knows your weaknesses. Thanks , Last Edited by Andromeda on 05/02/2010 12:26 PM |
Windsage4 nli User ID: 951517 United States 05/02/2010 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Does she consume products containing aspartame? Quoting: ... 958944You have information that can help her reverse a crippling disease. Buy her a bottle of vitamin D. Print out the most succinct evidence you have supporting its use, but don't overwhelm her with info. Give these to her privately. You would be remiss in not sharing with her what you know about this condition, even if she dismisses the advice. You will have done all you can, your conscience will be clear. No need to say or do anything more. The rest is up to her. good luck. +1 I've been in to natural healing modalities and good nutrition since childhood. My experience has been that MOST people are so wedded to their ignorance that they will not change. I used to come on pretty strong about 'helping' them with the latest research etc., but it was only RARELY that anyone followed my advice. However, the few times I got through to people made it worth it to carry the reputation of Here-comes-Miss Do-Gooder! These days I am not so pushy about my knowledge, but I do feel a sort of karmic responsibility to give it one try. In your case, I would say print out the articles you feel apply to this situation, buy her a bottle of high quality vitamin D, and present it to her with a compassionate attitude. Done. After that, it's up to her. It's her body and SHE is responsible for it, not you. My dad is 83. My sister and her husband have made fun of him behind his back for decades because of his insistence on learning all the latest information about nutrition, and taking a bunch of nutritional supplements. He took a treadmill stress test last week and the doctor said the results were "Fantastic". My sister and BIL have finally admitted that maybe there is something to all of my dad's focus on health. Especially since my BIL is now going through his second round of chemo...but they still won't listen to us about cancer cures. Sigh. It's so much harder when family is involved. Remember to keep joy in your life, and don't get all stressed out about this. People usually cling to their ignorance unto death. You are responsible for YOU. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? I really appreciate all this advice. The different perspectives do help. I really am BAD at being diplomatic. I just blurt my ideas, which is indeed "abrasive." I'm agreeing more and more that I do have to send a package, tho. I like the idea of printing out these articles, maybe writing up a brief summary of what they mean, taken as a whole, and then add some vitamins and info about alternative medicine for MS online. To tell you the truth, I think that the SIL is the one person who can get excited about what I can tell her. She's in a very old and influential order, and they have their own worldwide network of houses and culture. It's not outside of the way they live their lives, to appreciate the value simple, healthy alternatives to the kind of expensive Modern-Day technology that appeals to some people. She has enough influence in her order to introduce new ideas, if she wanted to pursue an alternative therapy. |
Amish User ID: 959056 United States 05/02/2010 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Others claim a link between MS and aspartame and/or vaccines. Wouldn't hurt to do all the above; take vit d and detox. My bud's wife passed from ms in her mid-30s. Just came down with it. Tried to get him to research on the net and he just thought it was all wacky. Went with the doc and she was gone in about a year. So then I felt like it was his fault she died. Not getting enuff sun has nothing to do with evolution. The evolutionist produce the toxic vaccines. Doubt she'd go to an naturapathic clinic but these folks might help. [link to www.chiphealth.com] Last Edited by Klink on 05/02/2010 01:36 PM |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 01:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Others claim a link between MS and aspartame and/or vaccines. Quoting: AmishWouldn't hurt to do all the above; take vit d and detox. My bud's wife passed from ms in her mid-30s. Just came down with it. Tried to get him to research on the net and he just thought it was all wacky. Went with the doc and she was gone in about a year. So then I felt like it was his fault she died. Not getting enuff sun has nothing to do with evolution. The evolutionist produce the toxic vaccines. Doubt she'd go to an naturapathic clinic but these folks might help. [link to www.chiphealth.com] Thank you, Amish. I'm sorry to hear about your friend. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 538386 United States 05/02/2010 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? As for dealing with family...who cares. Provide her the information, and let her make up her own mind. The most important thing is that she do her research and learn all she can so she can find what works best for her. BTW...it isn't uncommon for something else to be diagnosed as MS, but be VERY careful when going down that road. Sometimes, it is actually MS, and should be addressed as such. There are plenty of tests that should be done to narrow it down. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 959059 United States 05/02/2010 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Treatment of MS/CFS/Lyme/GWI The antibiotics rifampin and doxycycline together for a year or more will cure MS. B12 administered under the tongue, and B complex vitamins should make her feel better in a week. Repairs myelin. Vitamin D kills mycoplasma which is the underlying infection. Glutathione and it's precursors NAC, tryptophan, glycine, magnesium is a powerful anti oxidant to clear toxins made by infection. Vitamin C, E and selenium will boost it's actions. SAMe, fish oil, evening primrose oil, amino acids, multivitamin. Licorice will boost SAMe's actions. NO trans fat, soda, processed foods. And yes, an organic diet. It will take 3 months to see an improvement and 2 years for a cure. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Hey, thanks. I looked at the Swank Diet. It's got a lot going for it. But I think it has some weaknesses because it's so old, about 60 years old. Basically, it looks like an early attempt to make an anti-inflammatory diet. The problem is that it could be optimized to be more effective, with updated info about how inflammation and diet interact. I would adjust the Swank Diet as follows: (1) Not so many calories from carbs... high glycemic index foods cause insulin spikes which cause prostaglandin and other pain & inflammation molecules to be produced. It's better to have a low-to-moderate carb diet with no refined flours or sugars. All grains must be whole grain. (2) The info on oils is way outdated. Need to have more olive oil (omega 9 fatty acids), more linseed & fish oils (omega 3 fatty acids), less safflower and other polyunsaturates (omega 6 fatty acids). The aim is to eat anti-inflammatory oils and reduce inflammatory oils. The ratio of omega 6 fatty acids to omega 3 should not exceed 1:1. There is nothing wrong with getting a lot of calories from oils so long as they are not omega 6 fatty acid oils. (3) Avoiding red meat, dairy and etc is mainly due to factory farming methods producing animals with a lot of hormones in their bodies and whose flesh contains a lot of omega 6 fatty acid on account of an artificial grain based diet. Grass-fed, free range dairy, beef, poultry and pork contains more omega 3 fatty acid, fewer inflammation triggers. (4) More veggies, fewer fruits (you want a low glycemic index) (5) Anti-inflammatory spices that are important in anti-cancer diets are very important for other anti-inflammatory diets, too. That includes lots of turmeric, ginger, etc. |
Andromeda (OP) User ID: 946938 United States 05/02/2010 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Treatment of MS/CFS/Lyme/GWI Quoting: Anonymous Coward 959059The antibiotics rifampin and doxycycline together for a year or more will cure MS. B12 administered under the tongue, and B complex vitamins should make her feel better in a week. Repairs myelin. Vitamin D kills mycoplasma which is the underlying infection. Glutathione and it's precursors NAC, tryptophan, glycine, magnesium is a powerful anti oxidant to clear toxins made by infection. Vitamin C, E and selenium will boost it's actions. SAMe, fish oil, evening primrose oil, amino acids, multivitamin. Licorice will boost SAMe's actions. NO trans fat, soda, processed foods. And yes, an organic diet. It will take 3 months to see an improvement and 2 years for a cure. That sounds wonderful! Thanks. I'm on board with the healthy oils and the supplements. I didn't know that about licorice, btw! The Vitamin D helps with the immune system in a few ways. For MS, there are several ways in which Vitamin D can help. For example, it appears that Vitamin D even mediates the gene transcription that affects the progression of the disease. So Vitamin D supplementation is important. Additional research seems to show that UVB radiation helps with MS symptoms, even with adequate Vitamin D supplementation. So sunshine itself is helpful for some reason. I like you're one-liner about diet. People don't realize that nutritional therapy can take months and years. |
flespu User ID: 1093836 United States 09/09/2010 12:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: My SIL the Catholic Nun has MS & Nutritional Therapies Can Help Her, Should I Piss Off Junk Food Family to Tell Her This? Several remedies have come up lately. Some in this thread bring up all the bad dietary habits - sure, aspartame isn't the best for you, but the old maxim still rings true - everything in moderation. As for OTC stuff, 1000 i.u.'s of Vitamin D a day is a must. Then, consider Krill Omega 3 Fish Oil supplements, too. And for prescription, I highly recommend low dose naltrexone (LDN). (Insure they do not conflict/interact with any meds your SIL may be taking - i.e. consult a doc first). You can research all these three yourself, but they work for me. My chronic progressive MS has literally stopped getting worse, with some symptoms gone for good. And LDN is CHEAP! The tough part is getting a doc to give you a script and most insurance won't cover it since it's off-label. Drug co.'s won't fund clinical research due to lack of payout versus extremely expensive alternatives they have on the market. Definitely worth the effort to get it and give it a try. Good luck - hang tough with the family as all have best interests at heart, but the important person here is the one affected, not everyone else. Education is key and control over your own health care. If you need more, reply to this thread and we'll figure a way to chat privately. |
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