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Dale McAlpine was charged with causing “harassment, alarm or distress” after a homosexual police community support officer (PCSO) overheard him reciting a number of “sins” referred to in the Bible, including blasphemy, drunkenness and same sex relationships.

The 42-year-old Baptist, who has preached Christianity in Wokington, Cumbria for years, said he did not mention homosexuality while delivering a sermon from the top of a stepladder, but admitted telling a passing shopper that he believed it went against the word of God.

Police officers are alleging that he made the remark in a voice loud enough to be overheard by others and have charged him with using abusive or insulting language, contrary to the Public Order Act.

Mr McAlpine, who was taken to the police station in the back of a marked van and locked in a cell for seven hours on April 20, said the incident was among the worst experiences of his life.

“I felt deeply shocked and humiliated that I had been arrested in my own town and treated like a common criminal in front of people I know," he said.

“My freedom was taken away on the hearsay of someone who disliked what I said, and I was charged under a law that doesn't apply.”

Christian campaigners have expressed alarm that the Public Order Act, introduced in 1986 to tackle violent rioters and football hooligans, is being used to curb religious free speech.

Sam Webster, a solicitor-advocate for the Christian Institute, which is supporting Mr McAlpine, said it is not a crime to express the belief that homosexual conduct is a sin.

“The police have a duty to maintain public order but they also have a duty to defend the lawful free speech of citizens,” he said.

“Case law has ruled that the orthodox Christian belief that homosexual conduct is sinful is a belief worthy of respect in a democratic society."

Mr McAlpine was handing out leaflets explaining the Ten Commandments or offering a “ticket to heaven” with a church colleague on April 20, when a woman came up and engaged him in a debate about his faith.

During the exchange, he says he quietly listed homosexuality among a number of sins referred to in 1 Corinthians, including blasphemy, fornication, adultery and drunkenness.

After the woman walked away, she was approached by a PCSO who spoke with her briefly and then walked over to Mr McAlpine and told him a complaint had been made, and that he could be arrested for using racist or homophobic language.

The street preacher said he told the PCSO: “I am not homophobic but sometimes I do say that the Bible says homosexuality is a crime against the Creator”.

He claims that the PCSO then said he was homosexual and identified himself as the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender liaison officer for Cumbria police. Mr McAlpine replied: “It’s still a sin.”

The preacher then began a 20 minute sermon, in which he says he mentioned drunkenness and adultery, but not homosexuality. Three regular uniformed police officers arrived during the address, arrested Mr McAlpine and put him in the back of a police van.

At the station, he was told to empty his pockets and his mobile telephone, belt and shoes were confiscated. Police took fingerprints, a palm print, a retina scan and a DNA swab.

He was later interviewed, charged under Sections 5 (1) and (6) of the Public Order Act and released on bail on the condition that he did not preach in public.

Mr McAlpine pleaded not guilty at a preliminary hearing on Friday at Wokingham magistrates court and is now awaiting a trial date.

The Public Order Act, which outlaws the unreasonable use of abusive language likely to cause distress, has been used to arrest religious people in a number of similar cases.

Harry Hammond, a pensioner, was convicted under Section 5 of the Act in 2002 for holding up a sign saying “Stop immorality. Stop Homosexuality. Stop Lesbianism. Jesus is Lord” while preaching in Bournemouth.

Stephen Green, a Christian campaigner, was arrested and charged in 2006 for handing out religious leaflets at a Gay Pride festival in Cardiff. The case against him was later dropped.

Cumbria police said last night that no one was available to comment on Mr McAlpine’s case.
Anonymous Coward
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Maybe christians should start to get the message...... it is a personal relationship between me and my god and HE doesnt need your help to get to me!

STOP PUSHING YOUR BELIEFS ON EVERYONE

Believe what you will and I wish you all the prosperity joy and good health while you do but leave others to decide for themselves and dont preach unless you are asked about your own life and good health and prosperity. Jesus said 'you shall know them by their fruit'...... and if YOU are doing it right others will be drawn to you and they will ask.
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Perhaps they should throw a ham and oyster supper in support of this guy.
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The Word of God is true and all who Reject Jesus Christ and his holy bible will fine them self in hell and the only hope for there soul they have rejected .

SIN IS SIN AND THERE IS NO ESCAPE FROM THE TRUE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE JESUS IS THE ONLY ESCAPE FROM HELL AND FROM SIN

GOD HOLY BIBLE IS ABOVE ALL NOW AND FOR EVER
THE END IS HERE
JUDGMENT IS COMING
ANTICHRIST IS COMING
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homosexual police community support officer (PCSO)
 Quoting: Béla Bartók


wtf Gayshirts Gestapo or what ?
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It's no problem. If the preacher was not disturbing the peace, that cop and the city have a HUGE lawsuit coming.
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homosexual police community support officer (PCSO)


wtf Gayshirts Gestapo or what ?
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Are you suprised? Look at the people who work for the 4th Reich *cough* i mean government!
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As an American, I don't think that saying "homosexuals are going to hell" should be a jailable offense.

As a rational being, it is definitely worthy of ridicule.
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As an American, I don't think that saying "homosexuals are going to hell" should be a jailable offense.

As a rational being, it is definitely worthy of ridicule.
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I don't think that's what he said. I believe he said that homosexuality is a sin and he quoted scripture.

That IS what scripture says, and he IS a preacher. He's entitled to his beliefs and he's entitled to freedom of speech. I saw nothing hateful in his speech.
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As an American, I don't think that saying "homosexuals are going to hell" should be a jailable offense.

As a rational being, it is definitely worthy of ridicule.



I don't think that's what he said. I believe he said that homosexuality is a sin and he quoted scripture.

That IS what scripture says, and he IS a preacher. He's entitled to his beliefs and he's entitled to freedom of speech. I saw nothing hateful in his speech.
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Sometimes the truth hurts.

Fat people don't like to be told they're fat either. It's just the truth, isn't it?
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It's one thing to believe your religion condemns certain people to hell and that their existence is a sin against God, it's another thing to stand on a street corner and push those hateful views about other people in public.

If you need to stand on a street corner and preach hate about other people, you need to reassess your religion.
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It's one thing to believe your religion condemns certain people to hell and that their existence is a sin against God, it's another thing to stand on a street corner and push those hateful views about other people in public.

If you need to stand on a street corner and preach hate about other people, you need to reassess your religion.
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Again, he didn't say that. He said it was a sin. So is lying, so is cheating, so is thinking unpure thoughts. So is speeding in traffic for that matter.

Get a grip.
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yeah, the bastard that arrested him is more than likely a gay fucker himself.
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yeah, the bastard that arrested him is more than likely a gay fucker himself.
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It was a chick. And yea, she was.
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It doesn't matter what you believe if what he said is true or not. The debate that you should be talking about is free speech.

Muslims in NY can openly threaten to kill people and not be arrested, but yet a Christian preacher interprets a quote in the Bible and gets thrown in jail. Nobody should be thrown in jail for something they said, no matter how offensive or subjective it may be.
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It doesn't matter what you believe if what he said is true or not. The debate that you should be talking about is free speech.

Muslims in NY can openly threaten to kill people and not be arrested, but yet a Christian preacher interprets a quote in the Bible and gets thrown in jail. Nobody should be thrown in jail for something they said, no matter how offensive or subjective it may be.
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So you're actually upset the U.K. is not the U.S, since you're talking about 2 different countries (NY is in the U.S., Cardiff is in the U.K.)

If you want to stand on a street corner and preach hate about people, claiming your religious beliefs tells you that's okay, you should be wiling to sit in a jail cell.

People who want to push their beliefs in ways that violate local laws generally can get away with it. They just have to sit in a jail cell or pay a fine for the privilege.

If that's too much of a burden for the guy, he should get out of the business of preaching in people's faces out in public.
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So you're actually upset the U.K. is not the U.S, since you're talking about 2 different countries (NY is in the U.S., Cardiff is in the U.K.)

If you want to stand on a street corner and preach hate about people, claiming your religious beliefs tells you that's okay, you should be wiling to sit in a jail cell.

People who want to push their beliefs in ways that violate local laws generally can get away with it. They just have to sit in a jail cell or pay a fine for the privilege.

If that's too much of a burden for the guy, he should get out of the business of preaching in people's faces out in public.
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Well the same thing is happening in the UK in that Muslims can do whatever they want or spew death threats to anyone, yet a Christian preacher quotes from the Bible and gets thrown in jail. Both situations are religious beliefs, but one is validated over the other.

My point is either jail everyone or jail nobody.
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Well, the guy is definitely an indoctrinated idiot, being a Baptist minister, but to turn a phrase...

I may not like what he had to say, but I would defend to the death his right to say it.
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He has a right to say whatever he wants to. Free speech is not harassment.

If the Gays can disrupt a whole city with their outrageous parades on the basis of free speech, then this man can say what he wants to about them.
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Well, there's one good thing.

Osama's got no reason be hating the Limeys for their freedums, that's for damn sure.
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I don't think that's what he said. I believe he said that homosexuality is a sin and he quoted scripture.

That IS what scripture says, and he IS a preacher. He's entitled to his beliefs and he's entitled to freedom of speech. I saw nothing hateful in his speech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 952579


He said homosexuality is a sin.

He didn't say that he, personally, finds homosexuality squicky. That would be no problem. What he said was that there is a cosmic entity which is perfectly and definitively good, and that homosexuality is entirely incompatible with it and offensive to it. That homosexuality is in fact evil. That it's like beating and robbing someone, or murder.

That's what 'sin' means.

So it is certainly hateful. What else can it be? If something is a sin, then it is absolutely and definitely evil, and an affront to all that is pure and good and decent. To call something a sin is to declare that you hate it.

And if he says that he is only quoting scripture, then scripture too is hate speech.

The problem here is not that this preacher was arrested under hate speech laws - it seems perfectly reasonable to me. The problem is that hate speech laws exist in the first place. I personally am delighted to see these laws being enforced to the letter, and I hope that after a few more cases like this we'll see it repealed early by the next government.
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Where in the United States is Cumbria?
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well of course a gay person dosnt want to hear what they are doing is a sin.

hell when i was a dancer it was real hard for me to change my ways and i have god to thank that i did:)

this world does not heed gods laws we all want to do what we want and have no control of our egos.

this is prophecy at its best. christian will be persecuted in god ol usa.
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however.....

it is a little extreme to go to gay parades and to hold up sighns. let people do what they want and if there are consequences to suffer then it will be.

ill be damned if i protest at an abortion clinic.
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Christians love that particular scripture, yet they throw out the rest of 'The Law'.

Which is it tards? You either follow the law or you don't.

How many of you men shave your beards? Ever eat shrimp? Women, do you dare walk around without your head covered? How many blood sacrifices have you made? Ever work on Saturday?

All these things are against the same law. Sins.

Oh, but those don't count right? Just the one about queers.
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even if they believe the bible is right, there is the right of the man to choose his lifestyle. he's not imposing this lifestyle on the church.
even if I disagree with gays, etc., i find it abusive to try to impose my religious of bias beliefs on any human being. that is not my right. it's called religious abuse.
it actually happens allot.
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Maybe christians should start to get the message...... it is a personal relationship between me and my god and HE doesnt need your help to get to me!

STOP PUSHING YOUR BELIEFS ON EVERYONE

Believe what you will and I wish you all the prosperity joy and good health while you do but leave others to decide for themselves and dont preach unless you are asked about your own life and good health and prosperity. Jesus said 'you shall know them by their fruit'...... and if YOU are doing it right others will be drawn to you and they will ask.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 959425



That's not belief pushing. I'm sorry. And this isn't freedom of religion or speech.

grow up.
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I see the pink mafia supports this man going to jail. I guess it would be wrong for me to say it's good to see them get aids, but that would be cruel.





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